TransCanada ‘May’ Shorten XL Pipeline, Bypassing Need for Federal Approval

[TVDOC]

http://my.firedoglake.com/wendydavis/2012/01/19/transcanada-may-shorten-xl-pipeline-bypassing-need-for-federal-approval/

From Bloomberg News today:
 
“TransCanada Corp. (TRP) may shorten the initial path for its rejected Keystone XL project, bringing oil from Montana’s Bakken Shale to refiners in the Gulf of Mexico and removing the need for federal approval.

“There certainly is a potential opportunity to connect the Bakken to the Gulf Coast,” Alex Pourbaix, TransCanada’s president of energy and oil pipelines, said in a telephone interview today. “That is obviously something we’ll be looking into over the next few weeks.”

TransCanada’s $7 billion Keystone XL proposal to bring crude from Canada’s oil sands to the Gulf was rejected yesterday by the Obama administration. The project required U.S. approval because it crossed the border with Canada. The company may seek that approval after it builds the segment from Montana to the Gulf, Pourbaix said.

The Bakken shale-rock formation is estimated to hold as much as 4.3 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil in North Dakota and Montana, according to a 2008 U.S. Geological Survey report. Oil production in North Dakota surged 42 percent to 510,000 barrels a day in November, exceeding the output of Ecuador.

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More at link.......

doc

[Rugnuts]

so why does canada want a pipe to run THROUGH the US to the gulf?

[Rebel]

so why does canada want a pipe to run THROUGH the US to the gulf?

That's where the refineries are.

[TVDOC]

so why does canada want a pipe to run THROUGH the US to the gulf?

That's where 50% of the world's oil refining capacity is located.......

The US is a net exporter of refined oil products, such as gasoline.......

doc

[Rugnuts]

aren't the refineries in texas getting old and pushed to the limit?

would it create more jobs to put refineries closer to the oil?

[TVDOC]

aren't the refineries in texas getting old and pushed to the limit?

would it create more jobs to put refineries closer to the oil?

Yes.......most of our refineries are old, and running very close to capacity.  We can't (economically) build more, or more modern ones due to liberals environmental regulations.

The refineries are located near Houston and Galveston because they are both deep-water ports.  Strange as it may seem, countries like Venezuela, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and even Iran (through proxies because of sanctions) send their crude oil to these Texas refineries to be processed, and then the tankers that brought the crude over, haul the finished product back.

It's a hell of a lot cheaper and more efficient to pump it through a pipeline from the fields directly to the refinery than to load it on a tanker, and haul it half-way around the world to be refined........since VLCC's (Very Large Crude Carriers) can't transit the Panama canal.

Even if one were to build the refineries near the fields......in this case the middle of nowhere in Canada.......you are still faced with the logistical problem of moving the finished product to market......which would require........a pipeline........

doc

[Rugnuts]

We can't (economically) build more, or more modern ones due to liberals environmental regulations.

ding ding ding

we need to win that fight, but instead washington's just talking about laying pipe.


Libtards want to invest in infrastructure that suits them, schools/highways/vikings stadiums lol, while forcing the energy infrastructure to deminish.

There are a lot of oil wells in N. Dakota. Capped for the future. It makes sense to me to allow energy companies to build refineries that are centrally located (for us consumption) and close to the oil (ours and canadas). This also increases the gulf port's ability to  import/export. That'll help our export deficit. It'll create jobs.

[TVDOC]

ding ding ding

we need to win that fight, but instead washington's just talking about laying pipe.


Libtards want to invest in infrastructure that suits them, schools/highways/vikings stadiums lol, while forcing the energy infrastructure to deminish.

There are a lot of oil wells in N. Dakota. Capped for the future. It makes sense to me to allow energy companies to build refineries that are centrally located (for us consumption) and close to the oil (ours and canadas). This also increases the gulf port's ability to  import/export. That'll help our export deficit. It'll create jobs.

We already do that (see above), since petroleum finished products are an international commodity, the refineries need to be near ports.  Decades ago, there were small refineries all over the US, however economies of scale have forced most of them to close and become consolidated near import/export hubs.

doc

[Rugnuts]

i'll believe ya.

but i just couldnt believe that it wouldn't/couldnt be economically smart to put some newer refineries closer to newer oil sources. like i said, the port refineries could increase exports if domestic needs were met with newer centrally located refineries in NoDak ('cus i want cheaper gas in MN) and Montanna. the future is only going to bring more demand and new refineries are inevitable. if its regulation increasing the cost for new plants, we need those regulations corrected.

but we cant even allow keystone. even clinton would allow "laying more pipe" in america.

[TVDOC]

Pipelines in the US (does not include natural gas, which would double the displayed amount):

Warning.......not for those who are bandwidth limited........large PDF file.....

http://www.api.org/aboutoilgas/sectors/pipeline/upload/API_AOPL_001_2.pdf

It should be noted that there are several existing pipelines running through the contested Nebraska Sandhills......

doc

[Rugnuts]

what are "highly volatile liquids"?

[TVDOC]

what are "highly volatile liquids"?

Techspeak for gasoline, benzine, acetone, propane, et al.

Stuff that tends to go "boom" when vaporized and combined with the atmosphere, ignited with a spark.....

doc

[Rugnuts]

ok i have a pipeline through town and wanted to make sure it wasnt toxic waste.
you know "not in my back yard"

[TVDOC]

ok i have a pipeline through town and wanted to make sure it wasnt toxic waste.
you know "not in my back yard"

"highly volatile liquids".......ARE toxic.........

doc

[Rugnuts]

i know i was just kidding a little
there is a gasoline/ethanol/diesel/bio fuel tank farm terminal across the highway from my house. i knew there was a pipeline. i didnt know where it came from though.