The OP is about a homeless woman with 15 children; all her own children. The thread is supposed to be about people abusing the social support system.
I wholly expected the thread to degenerate into a pile-on about some unter-asshole porting-over stories from Fox that show blacks as shiftless, welfare-siphoning layabouts.
Nope.
The jackasses devolve into a 100+ baby-bash about how rich and fulfilled their lives are without children. Those posters who admit to having children are belittled and dismissed.
That's rather odd considering their thread about how words can be "transphobic":
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,67113.0.htmlSupposedly, pointing the fact the people who are psycho-physiologicaly maladapted are psycho-physiologicaly maladapted now constitutes hate-speech.
But having children, a trait shared by the shitbags' own parents, is cause for shunning. Nevermind the fact that it is the prime evolutionary reflex of all species; life is supposedly better without children.
I think, perchance, this illuminates their psyches, as tiny as those are.
Pro-infanticide types often grouse that it is the religious-RW imposing its morality. Apart from the utter self-contradiction of that statement we know that DUmbasses like to project their worst traits on to others. I cannot help but think the reason that lefties hate children enough to murder them both in utero and out is because they do not value children. They see children as a burden. The only time children are permitted with paeans to charity is when the parents are to be made into wards of the state (read: liberal control).
Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 03:13 AM
Response to Original message
3. As someone who chose not to have children (yes, I know that sounds odd)...
I don't 'get' people who have kids. (Yes, I know). I do like kids, for a while, but I like being able to not have them. My time is mine, I do with it what I desire, and I love it. That's why it baffles me why any woman would be dying to have kids.
There are cultures within which getting pregnant is considered a romantic thing. I think the American culture is one of those cultures. There are some cultures in which it is far more romantic than in the American, but it's far too 'romantic' for my tastes.
What's REALLY scary is that I've heard high school girls actually EXPRESS a desire to have a child by this guy or that one. My hair stands on end when I hear that. What the hell for????? To tie themselves down? To stop their childhood and suddenly have to do a heck of a lot of housekeeping and childrearing? Do they not realize that their lives will change from enjoyable to being 24/7 nannies for the next 18+ years, and housekeepers, that they won't be able to have fun, and that their budget will drop dramatically? I think they're engaging in illogical thinking, being dreamers, thinking that money grows on trees, and babies change their own diapers.
Honestly, I DO NOT get it. I suspect the reality of getting pregnant and having kids needs to be taught in schools, and that the glorification of pregnancy and childrearing has got to stop. It has to be presented in the realistic light of what it truly is: a form of enslavement and impoverishment.
Sure, if one has a lot of money and can afford to hire nannies, housekeepers, and all kinds of help, fine. But to be poor, and want to diminish one's chances at living life even further? I don't GET IT!
Note this next exchange:
joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 03:16 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. You can have kids or you can have everything else
As the father of 3 kids, I can say fatherhood is worth every second for me.
REP (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #4
15. I chose everything else, including happiness and love
Oh yes. I'm child free.
Skittles (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 04:32 AM
Response to Reply #15
34. but don't you know, REP?
you cannot POSSIBLY be happy unless you reproduce!!! GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!
NOTE: "skittles" is often a deragatory term for fags who are particularly fruity, i.e. "taste the rainbow"
Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 05:02 AM
Response to Reply #16
38. You are probably right.
I have no idea if they should be allowed to keep their babies or not, but they ought to be taught to think logically, rather than with half a brain.
Even if they were emotionally lonely and needy to begin with, how could getting themselves chained to an even needier creature, a helpless creature, an unbelievably expensive creature, do anything more than cause havoc in their already-f'd up lives? And how could they not realize that babies cost money, cry all the time, soil diapers non-stop, need, need, need and cannot supply them with caring, and that you can't leave them alone one second because they will die unattended?
They have to be off in la-la land to not be aware of these most simple realizations!
LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 03:18 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. Enslavement?
Most of us manage to lead happy lives that include being parents, without having the sort of budget that provides for nannies and housekeepers.
Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. It's not for me, and the glorification of it certainly is causing out of wedlock kids to be born all
over the U.S.
Mind you, abstinance training is supposed to be a failure because it's unnatural.
Apparently the glorification of family life is even more unnatural.
LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. I'm glad you know it's not for you...
concur. It's best that she not breed.
REP (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 03:40 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. There is tremendous societal pressure on women to have Mommyhood become their identities
Some girls may merely be buckling to that pressure early. No greater love and all, you know.
Your mom was such a tool.
If onl she had given more head, we wouldn't have to put-up with you.
Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 05:12 AM
Response to Reply #17
45. I'm so grateful that I never gave a damn that other people wanted me to procreate...
I have a preference that you NOT have children.
joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #45
60. And I bet many of them feel quite sorry for you.
The great thing is we can choose our own lives. It becomes sad when people feel the need to judge others for their choices.
Quantess (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #60
74. Are you not aware that the decision to not have kids is generally looked down upon?
I would think you can take a small amount of crap from a childless person to round out the glorious rays of sunshine from your parental glory.
joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #74
91. So, you are justfiying what you admit is judgemental behavior
Really, slow down and think about what you said for a minute.
gkhouston (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 03:53 AM
Response to Reply #13
21. +1. The youth minister at my church always recruits the teens
to help out during Vacation Bible School week. After a week with wall-to-wall kids, none of the teens are interested in parenthood until much later, if ever.
Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-02-11 05:12 AM
Response to Reply #21
47. You know, maybe that would be a good thing to do: have teens care for the little ones
They would be less quick to spread their legs and grow that enslaving belly!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2413826And it goes on like that.
