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El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« on: October 06, 2011, 05:48:59 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=215x187722

Oh my.

By the way, Missouri announced it's joining the Southeastern Conference.

I knew nothing good would come of Texas messing with the old Big 8.

And so far, nothing has.

Anyway.

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Sources: TCU discusses Big 12 invite
   
TCU's board of trustees is meeting Thursday morning as part of discussions with the Big 12, according to a source close to the negotiations.

The Big 12 voted earlier Thursday to invite TCU into the conference and the school is expected to accept, according to sources. TCU Chancellor Victor Boschini Jr. issued a statement neither confirming nor denying that assertion.

"These discussions with the Big 12 have huge implications for TCU," the statement said. "It will allow us to return to old rivalries, something our fans and others have been advocating for many years. As always, we must consider what's best for TCU and our student-athletes in this ever-changing landscape of collegiate athletics. We look forward to continuing these discussions with the Big 12."

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TCU, the defending Rose Bowl champion in football, agreed earlier this year to leave the Mountain West Conference after this season for the Big East, which has an automatic BCS berth.....

http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id/7066994/source...

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1. Rumor is that they will have to play some home games at Jerry World.
   
Against the bigger schools like UT and OU.

Nobody's paying any attention to El Stupido; the above's the whole campfire.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 06:28:48 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 06, 2011, 05:48:59 PM

By the way, Missouri announced it's joining the Southeastern Conference.

Hmm, when are they going to tell the SEC? I mean, last I checked, they need the SEC; we damn sure don't need them. After making us a "second choice" after the Big-10, I'm not so sure I want those douchebags in the SEC. The SEC is the premier football conference in the nation. 7/13 BCS National Championships. We don't come begging teams; they come begging us.

Any Mizzou to SEC talk is purely speculative and wishful thinking on the part of Mizzou.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2011, 06:31:32 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on October 06, 2011, 06:28:48 PM
Hmm, when are they going to tell the SEC? I mean, last I checked, they need the SEC; we damn sure don't need them. After making us a "second choice" after the Big-10, I'm not so sure I want those douchebags in the SEC. The SEC is the premier football conference in the nation. 7/13 BCS National Championships. We don't come begging teams; they come begging us.

Any Mizzou to SEC talk is purely speculative and wishful thinking on the part of Mizzou.

Oh now, Missouri would be a fine addition to the Southeastern Conference, although really I'd rather they'd joined Nebraska in moving to the Big 10.

That would've made an odd number in the Big 10, but the Big 10 could then just get rid of Penn State, which doesn't belong anywhere other than in Lower Upper Slobovia anyway.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2011, 06:38:11 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 06, 2011, 06:31:32 PM
Oh now, Missouri would be a fine addition to the Southeastern Conference, although really I'd rather they'd joined Nebraska in moving to the Big 10.

That would've made an odd number in the Big 10, but the Big 10 could then just get rid of Penn State, which doesn't belong anywhere other than in Lower Upper Slobovia anyway.

They're not a fit. FSU is a better fit and if it were about marketshare, we'd look to VA or NC. Mizzou just isn't an SEC team, especially after treating the SEC like the last girl in a bar at 2AM. We don't need those f***s.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2011, 06:44:42 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on October 06, 2011, 06:38:11 PM
They're not a fit. FSU is a better fit and if it were about marketshare, we'd look to VA or NC. Mizzou just isn't an SEC team, especially after treating the SEC like the last girl in a bar at 2AM. We don't need those f***s.

Apparently it's pretty much a done deal.

According to the Kansas City Star, Missouri stacks up better than many other teams in the Southeastern Conference; it's better than Arkansas, South Carolina, Texas A & M, Mississippi, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and Vanderbilt.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2011, 06:45:50 PM »
Big jump for TCU, on the back of a quarterback who has graduated.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2011, 06:48:39 PM »
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The SEC needs Missouri more for image than for football

Missouri’s curators voted Tuesday to ponder the school’s Big 12 exit. Put simply, Missouri’s curators voted — unanimously, FYI — to bail on the Big 12. At issue now is what the school would bring to its new home, which is apt to be the SEC.

Here were pause to note that some folks see Missouri as a better fit in the Big Ten — the Tigers already have a heated basketball rivalry with Illinois — but the Big Ten hasn’t been overt in its ardor to expand. The Big Ten might be happy as is. The SEC needs a 14th member to offset Texas A&M.

The SEC also needs Missouri for another reason: This whole round of conference-hopping has given big-time college sports the look of me-first-and-everybody-else-last Wall Street, and that’s not the look you want in the year 2011. (It’s reality, but it’s still an unseemly image for institutions of supposed higher learning.) Missouri plays pretty good football and good basketball, but that’s not its greatest lure for the SEC.

Missouri is a state school in a state — heck, a region — where the SEC doesn’t have an outpost, and it would also deliver the St. Louis and the Kansas City television markets. (That’s an upgrade over A&M, which delivers the less-prestigious College Station market.) Those are nice things to have, but they’re not essential. Of greater importance: The SEC views Missouri as another vehicle in its quest to spruce up its academic image, which could use sprucing.

If it adds Missouri, the SEC will count four schools among the high-minded Association of American Universities. That’s double from a month ago. Texas A&M is an AAU member, and so are Florida and Vanderbilt. Both the Aggies and the Tigers play good enough football that they won’t sully the SEC’s brand, and the SEC doesn’t need an Oklahoma or a Texas to burnish its standing as the best football league. (Check the latest Associated Press poll: SEC teams are ranked first, second, 10th, 15th, 17th and 18th.)

The SEC has been measured in its approach to School No. 14. It didn’t fall over itself when Texas and Oklahoma were making eyes at the Pac-12. It didn’t so much pursue Texas A&M as it allowed itself to be pursued. Adding a 13th member just sort of happened. Adding a 14th will be a considered choice.

Adding Missouri would do more for the SEC’s image off the field than on, and that’s a consideration a lot of us missed when this whole round of choosing-up got going. The SEC is often regarded as the root of all collegiate evil, but this is one time when the league ruled by football is trying not to act as if football is the only thing that matters.

By landing Syracuse and Pittsburgh, the ACC all but destroyed the Big East. The SEC doesn’t need to destroy anything to ensure its survival; it’s the biggest conference today, and it’ll be the biggest 20 years from now. Mike Slive, the SEC’s commissioner, didn’t always carry water for King Football. He was the AD at Cornell and assistant AD at Dartmouth; he was also commissioner of the Great Midwest and Conference USA.

Slive is 71. He’s at an age where thoughts of legacy loom largest. (Indeed, at the SEC Media Days in Birmingham this summer the hot rumor, quickly refuted, was that Slive would announce his retirement.) He has presided over a decade of massive SEC growth, and now he wants to make sure that growth won’t be regarded, in the cold eye of history, as rampant pillaging.

When Mike Slive leaves this conference, he wants to be able to say, “We tried to do it the right way.” Others will quibble over the definition of “right,” but if the SEC pairs Missouri with Texas A&M it will be harder to make the case that the biggest league was utterly craven in its desires. Those are two good schools. They’ll broaden the base without rendering the league top-heavy. They’ll make the SEC not just bigger but better.

And that’s the key. As fascinating as the notion of the SEC with Texas and/or Oklahoma would have been, it would also have given rise to the charge of overkill. At some point the best league has to realize, “We’re good enough.” Slive and his associates have come to that quiet conclusion. If Missouri is indeed No. 14, the SEC will have done something the SEC doesn’t often do: It will have made a subtle splash.

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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2011, 07:00:45 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 06, 2011, 06:44:42 PM
Apparently it's pretty much a done deal.

According to the Kansas City Star, Missouri stacks up better than many other teams in the Southeastern Conference; it's better than Arkansas, South Carolina, Texas A & M, Mississippi, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and Vanderbilt.

Better in what? The SEC isn't just about football; it's about atmosphere. I don't really care what the "Kansas City Star" says; they're not IN the South.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2011, 07:02:18 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on October 06, 2011, 07:00:45 PM
Better in what? The SEC isn't just about football; it's about atmosphere. I don't really care what the "Kansas City Star" says; they're not IN the South.

Trust me, sir; you'll enjoy having Missouri in the Southeastern Conference.

As previously mentioned, though, I wish they'd gone with us into the Big 10.

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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2011, 07:02:33 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 06, 2011, 06:48:39 PM
http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2011/10/05/the-sec-needs-missouri-more-for-image-than-for-football/?cxntfid=blogs_mark_bradley_blog


...and that's some tool's blog. It goes along with the old adage, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one". I'd rather have Florida State than f'n Missouri. Let'em beg to get into the Big-10. I don't want those arrogant assholes, who haven't won shit, in the SEC.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2011, 07:03:27 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 06, 2011, 07:02:18 PM
Trust me, sir; you'll enjoy having Missouri in the Southeastern Conference.

As previously mentioned, though, I wish they'd gone with us into the Big 10.



**** Mizzou. I don't want'em anywhere in the conference. Let'em beg for crumbs from the Big-We Can't Count.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2011, 07:12:46 PM »
BTW Frank, Mizzou isn't better than Arkansas, Ole Miss, or Mississippi State. They played in a 2nd-tier conference. Yes, I said it. When your #3 team, 10-1 TTU loses to an 8-4 Ole Miss in '09 in the Cotton Bowl (47-34) and a 10-1 OK State loses to an 8-4 Ole Miss team in the Cotton Bowl (21-7) in '10, sorry, they're just not that great a team considering the SEC. I think TTU was actually tied with OU and UT in '09. It was the round-robin situation. TTU beat Texas who beat OU who beat TTU. We were ranked #25 in '09 and I don't think we were even ranked in '10.


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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2011, 07:13:47 PM »
Oh now, Texas A & M is more alien to the South than Missouri is.

I'm not so sure there's any reason to feel as if the Southeastern Conference is Missouri's "second choice."

It was a long time ago that Missouri contemplated going to the Big 10, and at that time, probably the Southeastern Conference hadn't thought about expanding.  

So it's not like Missouri thought about the Southeastern Conference and then decided no, we'd rather be in the Big 10; the option probably didn't exist at the time.

For this whole mess, remember, blame Texas.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2011, 07:15:06 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 06, 2011, 07:13:47 PM
Oh now, Texas A & M is more alien to the South than Missouri is.

I'm not so sure there's any reason to feel as if the Southeastern Conference is Missouri's "second choice."

It was a long time ago that Missouri contemplated going to the Big 10, and at that time, probably the Southeastern Conference hadn't thought about expanding.  

So it's not like Missouri thought about the Southeastern Conference and then decided no, we'd rather be in the Big 10; the option probably didn't exist at the time.

For this whole mess, remember, blame Texas.

I don't share your opinion that A&M is alien to the SEC. Out of any of the schools mentioned, A&M, WVU (  :lmao: ), and Mizzou, A&M is the perfect fit. I don't want those white trash hillbillies from WVU either after their actions during the LSU game. They are not SEC material.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2011, 07:23:14 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on October 06, 2011, 07:12:46 PM
BTW Frank, Mizzou isn't better than Arkansas, Ole Miss, or Mississippi State. They played in a 2nd-tier conference. Yes, I said it. When your #3 team, 10-1 TTU loses to an 8-4 Ole Miss in '09 in the Cotton Bowl (47-34) and a 10-1 OK State loses to an 8-4 Ole Miss team in the Cotton Bowl (21-7) in '10, sorry, they're just not that great a team considering the SEC. I think TTU was actually tied with OU and UT in '09. It was the round-robin situation. TTU beat Texas who beat OU who beat TTU. We were ranked #25 in '09 and I don't think we were even ranked in '10.

The Kansas City Star begs to differ with you, sir.

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7. MISSOURI

77-49, .611 (record for last 10 seasons)

Zero national or conference titles

Two Big 12 North Division titles

0-2 in Big 12 championship games

3-4 in bowl games, zero BCS appearances

8. ARKANSAS

75-51, .595

Zero national or conference titles

Two SEC West Division titles

0-2 in SEC championship games

2-5 in bowl games, one BCS appearance

9. SOUTH CAROLINA

69-55, .556

Zero national or conference titles

One SEC East Division title

0-1 in SEC championship games

2-4 in bowl games, zero BCS appearances

10. TEXAS A&M

65-58, .528

Zero national, conference or division titles

1-5 in bowl games, zero BCS appearances

11. MISSISSIPPI

60-61, .496

Zero national, conference or division titles

4-0 in bowl games, zero BCS appearances

12. KENTUCKY

54-68, .443

Zero national, conference or division titles

3-2 in bowl games, zero BCS appearances

13. MISSISSIPPI STATE

43-76, .361

Zero national, conference or division titles

2-0 in bowl games, zero BCS appearances

14. VANDERBILT

33-85, .280

Zero national, conference or division titles

1-0 in bowl games, zero BCS appearances

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/29/3176210/how-missouri-football-compares.html
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2011, 07:31:38 PM »
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7. MISSOURI

77-49, .611 (record for last 10 seasons)

Zero national or conference titles

Two Big 12 North Division titles

0-2 in Big 12 championship games

3-4 in bowl games, zero BCS appearances

Again Frank, they're playing in the Big-12, which was dominated by 3 teams, OU, UT, and Nebraska. We beat Nebraska and OU last time we met. The Big-12 =/= the SEC. It's below the SEC. Ole Miss's record the past 10 years?

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60-61, .496

Zero national, conference or division titles

4-0 in bowl games, zero BCS appearances

Look at the 4-0 in bowls and also take into account we play in the SEC. We don't have just 3 dominant teams. We have Florida, 'Bama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, and even Tennessee was a dominant force under Phil Fulmer.

A record doesn't mean shit when you're playing chumps.

 
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2011, 07:32:53 PM »
It's about history, Frank. Mizzou just doesn't have one. Those other teams, aside from Arkansas, are charter members of the SEC dating back to the 30's. Also, Vandy is our nerd school while UK is our basketball school.
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Re: El Stupido talks about Texas Christian joining Big 12
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2011, 07:56:21 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on October 06, 2011, 07:32:53 PM
It's about history, Frank. Mizzou just doesn't have one. Those other teams, aside from Arkansas, are charter members of the SEC dating back to the 30's. Also, Vandy is our nerd school while UK is our basketball school.

Well now, sir, good friend, remember, I got no dog in this fight; I'm just relaying information--and I'd just as soon Missouri be with us in the Big 10.

Missouri has a history in college football only a year newer than Nebraska--and so we're talking late 1880s, early 1890s here.  Missouri's got plenty of history, although hardly any with teams from the South.

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