primitive worried New York City turning deep red

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1955455

Oh my.

KillCapitalism (1000+ posts)     Sat Sep-17-11 04:18 AM
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Is NYC really starting to turn deep red?

I was talking with a couple I know there after the whole election thing, and they stated that was the last straw. They plan to leave NYC & move across the country to the SF Bay Area. According to them, people have really changed there because they are discouraged by Obama, and they are changing for the worse. This couple claims that NYC is starting to become a hotbed of racism, homophobia, and xenophobia.

Any truth to all this? If so, it's sad.

cali  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 04:23 AM
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1. does that claim even make ANY sense to you?

trueblue2007  (1000+ posts)      Sat Sep-17-11 04:40 AM
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2. NO IT IS NOT. WHAT A DUMB THING TO SUGGEST

aquart  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 04:54 AM
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3. Have you known these morons long?

They should definitely move to San Francisco.

markpkessinger (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 06:34 AM
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6. I've lived in NYC for nearly 30 years . . .

. . . and I don't think we're seeing anything new here. Look, the much-vaunted liberal reputation of New York has always been a bit overstated in any case. I think the populace as a whole is about where it has always been: fairly centrist Democratic on economic matters, a bit more liberal on issues of social justice and civil rights.

But New York has always been a bit of a mixed bag politically speaking. When the national media talks about NYC, in most cases it is talking about something that ie about, happened in, or primarily concerns Manhattan. I think Manhattan residents remain by and large solidly liberal (but there have always been a larger number of exceptions to that than the national media has typically recognized.

But the outer boroughs, while certainly carrying their share of social liberals and committed labor Democrats, have also always had certain neighborhoods, particularly in some of the working- and middle-class neighborhoods of Queens, Brooklyn and Staten Island, which have tended to lean much more in a conservative direction (indeed, these neighborhoods were prime turf for the so-called "Reagan Republicans."

Many of these neighborhoods are largely comprised of socially traditional Roman Catholics who are considerably more conservative than the city taken as a whole. Again, though, this is nothing new: New York has always had it ethnic neighborhoods full of first and second generation immigrant families whose adherence to one religion or another tends to color their views a bit more conservative.

And even in Manhattan, where a liberal cultural ethic certainly prevails, we've always had our fair of hard-charging business executives and Wall Street types who hardly fit the "liberal New Yorker" stereotype. The thing about Manhattan's conservatives, however, is that they are typically savvy and sophisticated enough to know when to temper their rhetoric, despite whatever positions they might actually hold.

They're also very good at couching their ideas in moderate-sounding phrases that are carefully calculated not to scare liberals' horses.

Also, since NYC iw a place of employment for millions of people who live in the surrounding counties to the east, north and west of the city, whose politics can often be more conservative than most people think of when they think of the typical "New York liberal." Yet, even though these folks are technically speaking not residents of the city, experientially they are and always have been a part of its overall fabric.

One change I have witnessed, though, and it saddens me immensely, is that whereas in our past public discussions on matters of culture, or social justice or politics, artists and intellectuals were given a much greater prominence in those discussions. Today, all such discussions seem to be dominated entirely by business types.

Cobblers should stick to their lasts; "artists" and "intellectuals" are hardly competent in matters of culture or social justice or politics anyway.

Smarmie Doofus  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 06:52 AM
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7. The city's liberalism has always been overstated.

There are and have always been many progressive people here but that's mainly 'cause there are so many people OUTRIGHT.

Example: in 1969 ( sort of the high-water mark for 60's-70s liberalism nationally) liberal Mayor Lindsay managed to get himself reelected with about 40% of the vote.... the remaining 60% divided by a conservative republlcan and a rw dem.

Subsequent Mayors.... excepting perhaps David Dinkins ( a one-termer).... have been essentially conservative.

baldguy  (1000+ posts)      Sat Sep-17-11 07:47 AM
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8. No.

8 million people in the city; 18 million in the metro area. Guaranteed there will be RWers. Guaranteed they're going to earn some political power.

But to describe NYC as "deep red" is ludicrous.

leveymg  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 08:02 AM
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9. There's Tribecca Manhattan, and then there's Ridgewood, Queens. Different cities.

Weiner's old District is a mix of affluent, mostly liberal and blue collar, Reagan Democrats. Most of it is heavily Jewish.

I have to say this after visiting my sister, who lives up by Columbia U. Living in many neighborhoods in NYC, particularly those in transition, is enough to turn almost anyone into a big fan of the NYPD and Mayor Mike.

TomClash  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 09:20 AM
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12. What the **** does that mean?

"Living in many neighborhoods, particularly those in transition?" Is this code for kicking out the niggas, spics and white trash, so upper middle class white professionals can move in?

BTW, not many people in the outer boroughs are big fans of "Mayor Mike."

aquart  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 01:17 PM
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18. NYC is ALWAYS "in transition."

The biggest up and coming group is Asian. They've got Flushing and they've branched out to Bayside, etc. But there are also heavy-duty Muslim communities, judging by the saris and halal groceries and mosques in some parts of Queens (I know they're in other parts of the city but I don't get around much anymore.)

Orthodox Jewish Williamsburgh is being gentrified like mad. Don't assume those gentry are all white kids, though.

Astoria is Greek, Rumanian, lots of eastern Europe. And I remember when Brighton Beach became Little Odessa but I don't know if the Russian hold is still as strong.

One group moves up and another moves in. Korean supermarkets are fantastic for fish

Arctic Dave  (1000+ posts)      Sat Sep-17-11 10:11 AM
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16. Since 9/11 New Yorkers seem more scared, so maybe they have gone repug.

Or at least the ones I've met up here. It used be they were like, well, a "New Yorker". Now they are like, don't make any loud noises or fast gestures.

aquart  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 01:32 PM
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20. Where do you hang out?

Please remember that this state NEVER voted for Bush. We have TWO Democratic senators. And we voted for Obama.

Much of that happened AFTER 9/11.

Never voted for Bush is a good thing?

One wonders what's up with that.

Donnachaidh  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 11:14 AM
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17. NYC has always been "a hotbed of racism, homophobia, and xenophobia. " 

It might not seem that in the yuppie bubbles in Chelsea, etc., but one trip to the outer boroughs will confirm it. 

aquart  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 01:28 PM
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19. Totally. But we are also a sanctuary city.

Gays from all over America have felt safe here (if they avoid picking up homicidal tourists from New Jersey). This is the home of Stonewall.

Every entrenched working class household feels threatened by eager newbies. Always has. Always will.

But we have so many minorities, so many enclaves, that we have to work it out.

We use democracy for this purpose. And we yell a lot.

That's interesting.

I'm going to have to nadin "homicidal tourists from New Jersey" to see what that's all about.

Damn nadin.  She has me nadining everything.

[franksolich]

Okay, I did it; I nadined "homicidal tourists from New Jersey," and got this:

http://www.visitnj.org/

That was the first entry on google.

[Ballygrl]

Hmm, the city could possibly be getting redder, crime is up and Bloomberg won't be running again, unless a Giuliani type Republican comes along then most likely a Democrat will be elected, crime will soar, and the hoity toity Manhattan regressives will freak.

[Delmar]

Donnachaidh   (1000+ posts)             Sat Sep-17-11 11:14 AM
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17. NYC has always been "a hotbed of racism, homophobia, and xenophobia. "   
   
It might not seem that in the yuppie bubbles in Chelsea, etc., but one trip to the outer boroughs will confirm it. 

Which won't be a problem until they stop voting democrat.

[NHSparky]

NYC "deep red"?  By their definition, that means only 99 percent Democrat.

[GOBUCKS]

Which won't be a problem until they stop voting democrat.

There aren't enough Americans in NYC for it to turn Republican.
It's an irredeemable shithole - the definition of a democrat stronghold.