Sewer-nose wants to use the N-word; Nada thinks she's Jewish, gets schuled

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 06:19 PM
Original message
When is it going to be okay to use the “N” word?
 No, not that “N” word. I’m talking about the word that immediately labels anyone who uses it a person to be denounced as an extremist nut, and then ignored. I’m talking about the word Nazi.

Imagine a world in which Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, the empty suit named Mitt Romney, or any of the other crazy people, (and I really mean CRAZY PEOPLE), is running things.

How long before our Commander-in-Chief becomes our Dictator-in-Chief? If you can’t see this simple short step from Democracy to full-blown fascism, you’re as brain dead as the MSM that totally ignored (and even abetted) our progression from freedom to servitude.

Most of the instruments for full presidential control are already in place, from the Patriot Act to the presidential power (thanks to Bush/Cheney) to do whatever he/she wants to do. (See Iraq invasion, torture, warrentless wiretapping, rendition, ignoring habeas corpus, shredding the Constitution, and … we’ll you get the idea.)

The Nazis were a literal incarnation of pure evil. Yet, today, we have one of our two parties wanting to destroy every civilized advancement this country has ever made. And it’s a party that really doesn’t give a crap about who suffers, or who lives or dies. You can apply your own definition of evil to this mindset.

Perhaps you can find a more fitting title for the scum that has and is taking us into a living hell. But as for me, I think the term Nazi is fitting and justified. And if you disagree, I guess we’ll have to see what the next dozen or so years bring us to find out whether or not I’m right. But by then, or course, it won’t really matter if I am.

Nuclear Unicorn  (1000+ posts)      Tue Sep-06-11 06:25 PM
Response to Original message
1. Does that apply to anyone who continues those policies?
 And adds into the sauce more wars without cause, extra-judicial killings, indefinite detention, pressuring occupied nations to keep troops past the date agreed upon for withdrawal?

First response.

No replies.

NOMOREDRUGWAR (89 posts)     Tue Sep-06-11 06:25 PM
Response to Original message
2. Not until they start rounding us up and putting us in camps,
 Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 06:26 PM by NOMOREDRUGWAR
, separating us into those who can work and can't work, and quickly executing the ones that can't. Not until they send troops into the countryside or the cities and start gunning down people Einsatzgruppen style. I really hate it when either side uses the word Nazi or Nazi derivatives to refer to the political opposition. If it's wrong for the Tea Party to hold up photos of Obama dressed up to look like Hitler, then you bet your ass it's wrong for us to refer to them as Nazis. They're bigots, they're stupid, and they're going to ruin this country if they succeed, but that doesn't make them Nazis. When anyone refers to their political opponents as Nazis, unless they actually ARE Nazis, that makes them look like an idiot.

Besides, it's offensive to me as a Jewish voter to see the Tea Party caricatures of Obama as a Nazi, and I know I'm not alone in that regard. If Jewish voters start seeing portrayals of Tea Partiers as Nazis, what do you think is going to happen? Obama won 77% of the Jewish vote last time. He needs a similar percentage again for re-election. Part of the reason why Democrats win such a huge percentage of the vote each time as that the Republicans are largely seen as racist idiots by the Jewish commmunity. Don't screw that up.

loyalsister (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #2
10. Agreed
 Using that word loosely diminishes the truth of the crimes they perpetrated.

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. Far too many didn't speak up before those crimes were perpetrated
 I, for one, don't want to wait. I hope I'm proved wrong. But I'm sure as hell going to speak up while it's still legal to speak up.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. The ideology goes beyond racial
 Read on what fascism is...start there.

And our Dominionists have more than a few parallels.

Never again means being able to see warning signs as well. You really need to start with the basics though.
There is an elephant in the room we are not allowed to mention... but it is destroying us.

 

NOMOREDRUGWAR (89 posts)     Tue Sep-06-11 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. No, you read up on it
 Fascist Italy rejected the racial hatred endemic to the Nazi regime. If you want to call the Tea Partiers fascist, fine. Calling them Nazis is ignorant and marginalizes your arguments.

NOMOREDRUGWAR (89 posts)     Tue Sep-06-11 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #37
47. I don't hate all Germans
 Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 08:38 PM by NOMOREDRUGWAR
I don't hate Germans, and I don't hold people responsible for the sins of their ancestors. On the other hand, you'd think that people who are direct descendants of Nazis would be a bit more careful about referring to other people as Nazis.

 

NOMOREDRUGWAR (89 posts)     Tue Sep-06-11 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. I don't think that it's impossible that some people could be rounded up,
 considering that it has already happened in our history. Look at FDR's ordered internment of Japanese-Americans for proof that it can happen. I would like to see some evidence that we are headed toward a Nazi state. Please present it.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. We are headed towards a very American form of fascism
 Read democracy Inc to learn 'bout it.

Democracy Inc?

*tappity-tappity-tap*

In "Democracy, Inc.", David S Allen exposes the vested interests behind the US slide toward conflating corporate values with public and democratic values. He argues that rather than being institutional protectors of democratic principles, the press and law perversely contribute to the destruction of public discourse in the United States today. Allen utilizes historical, philosophical, sociological, and legal sources to trace America's gradual embrace of corporate values. He argues that such values, including winning, efficiency, and profitability actually limit democratic involvement by devaluing discursive principles, creating an informed yet inactive public. Through an examination of professionalization in both the press and the law, corporate free speech rights, and free speech as property, "Democracy, Inc." demonstrates that today's democracy is more about trying to control and manage citizens than giving them the freedom to participate. Allen not only calls on institutions to reform the way they understand and promote citizenship but also asks citizens to adopt a new ethic of public discourse that values understanding rather than winning. David S Allen is an associate professor of journalism and mass communication at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. He is the coeditor of "Freeing the First Amendment: Critical Perspectives on Freedom of Expression". A volume in "The History of Communication" series, edited by Robert W McChesney and John C. Nerone. 

One is left to wonder how people who are winning, efficient and profitable would also be inactive but there you have it.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. You know the Einzgruppen killed many of my relatives too
 And people who survived see the parallels too...

Never again means learning from it.
There is an elephant in the room we are not allowed to mention... but it is destroying us.

NOMOREDRUGWAR (89 posts)     Tue Sep-06-11 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. It's Einsatzgruppen [Ow! -SSB]

 And you don't speak for those who survive. I don't care if a couple see the "parallels." There's still some Holocaust survivors left in this country. Poll them and see if they think it's appropriate to refer to American political opponents as Nazis. I'd poll my relatives, but they all died. Never forgetting means never letting something like that happen again. It doesn't mean calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi until the word Nazi becomes part of our everyday lexicon and it has lost its meaning completely. Then, when the real Nazis come, people will accuse us of crying wolf once again.

Later, sanity shows up:

sufrommich  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
9. How about never. Nazis have their own place in history. I'm
 tired of seeing the word nazi watered down to mean "bad politician".

 

Rabblevox  (625 posts)      Tue Sep-06-11 06:37 PM
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11. the short answer is...never...
 I beg you not to conflate our very real political problems with Nazi-ism. Our problems are real, and there are evil ****-wads running amok. But nobody is going to the camps, nobody is being gassed, no corpses are having their dental work pulled from their mouths.

My grandmother died in a camp. (Mauthausen) She wasn't gassed or shot, she simply got sick and died. (along with about 150,000 others)

We may well be on the road to Fascism. I fear that, deeply. And the lesson of the Nazi's is clear and pertinent. But by calling Perry, Bachman, Romney, Palin, et al "Nazi's" you cheapen and degrade history.

 

Nye Bevan  (1000+ posts)      Tue Sep-06-11 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. I have read several horrifying books about the Holocaust.
 Your grandmother was murdered by the Nazis just as surely as if she had been gassed or shot. If anything, being shot would have been better than what she went through.

The Holocaust was a unique horror and I am sick of the "we are living under Nazis" brigade cheapening it.

I am very sorry for your family's loss.

 

GodlessBiker (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #17
25. +100.

IndyPragmatist (345 posts)      Tue Sep-06-11 06:39 PM
Response to Original message
13. Never
 It was wrong to call Bush a Nazi, it was wrong to call Obama a Nazi, it's wrong to call anyone a Nazi, except a Nazi.

Lets be honest here, as much as we hate Republicans, it's pretty ridiculous to compare them to Nazis. They are not trying to exterminate an entire ethnic group.

I understand what people are trying to say when they call someone a Nazi, but it makes light of one of the worst periods of time in human existence. I am of Jewish blood, but I do not practice. Luckily, none of my immediate family was directly impacted by the Holocaust. However, to compare anyone to the Nazis is somewhat offensive. It really makes light of a terrible period of time, and I don't care which side its coming from, it's wrong!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1886219#1886337

[JohnnyReb]

Obama won 77% of the Jewish vote last time.....that sure makes it hard to keep thinking jooooos are smart people. Einstein must have been the only one.

[Freeper]

I love how they always claim that the repukes are Nazis and will throw them in camps, when it is their side that is more likely to do that someday, I don't recall the Bush administration calling the whiny asses on the left terrorists for opposing him, yet plenty of people in the Zero admin have called us terrorists for opposing them.

[GOBUCKS]

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. Well my dad who just passed saw the parallels
So does a friend of us who lost all at Aushwitz. By the way so do a few specialists in the subject.

Of course none is calling them nazis...since history never quite repeats itself that way, but nazi patterns. We also call them PROTO FASCISTS. You truly believe the nazis came fully formed from Zeus's head? Are you that ignorant? 

Nutcase nadin knows that more than a few DUmmies are registered here and will cast DOTY votes.
She never stops campaigning, never goes out of character.

[RWKindaGuy]

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. Well my dad who just passed saw the parallels
So does a friend of us who lost all at Aushwitz. By the way so do a few specialists in the subject.

Of course none is calling them nazis...since history  quite repeats itself that way, but nazi patterns. We also call them PROTO FASCISTS. You truly believe the nazis came fully formed from Zeus's head? Are you that ignorant?  

It's Auschwitz, you bitch.  As the descendant of survivors and non-survivors, I find you to be a disgusting pig.

[Chris_]

Aushwitz

God, what a ****ing retard.

Stupid ****.

[Bodadh]

Hysterical name calling just makes their dumbass politics seem noble in their own minds. And really that is all these apes want. To feel noble. The mental twisting and turning it takes to make a agenda of making the federal government smaller and more accountable and returning power back to the states and the people to wield it more efficiently is mind boggleling.

[JohnnyReb]

copied from:     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

I find myself wondering about that too. I wonder about it as much as I regret it. Still, it is true that Hitler betrayed me. I had an audience with him, as a representative of the Protestant Church, shortly before he became Chancellor, in 1932. Hitler promised me on his word of honor, to protect the Church, and not to issue any anti-Church laws. He also agreed not to allow pogroms against the Jews, assuring me as follows: "There will be restrictions against the Jews, but there will be no ghettos, no pogroms, in Germany."

I really believed, given the widespread anti-Semitism in Germany, at that time—that Jews should avoid aspiring to Government positions or seats in the Reichstag. There were many Jews, especially among the Zionists, who took a similar stand. Hitler's assurance satisfied me at the time. On the other hand, I hated the growing atheistic movement, which was fostered and promoted by the Social Democrats and the Communists. Their hostility toward the Church made me pin my hopes on Hitler for a while.

I am paying for that mistake now; and not me alone, but thousands of other persons like me.

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....and in 1941 Einstein said that the Christian community was the only ones taking a stand against Hitler and the Nazi's.

Anybody see any similarities to democrats?

[BlueStateSaint]

copied from:     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

I find myself wondering about that too. I wonder about it as much as I regret it. Still, it is true that Hitler betrayed me. I had an audience with him, as a representative of the Protestant Church, shortly before he became Chancellor, in 1932. Hitler promised me on his word of honor, to protect the Church, and not to issue any anti-Church laws. He also agreed not to allow pogroms against the Jews, assuring me as follows: "There will be restrictions against the Jews, but there will be no ghettos, no pogroms, in Germany."

I really believed, given the widespread anti-Semitism in Germany, at that time—that Jews should avoid aspiring to Government positions or seats in the Reichstag. There were many Jews, especially among the Zionists, who took a similar stand. Hitler's assurance satisfied me at the time. On the other hand, I hated the growing atheistic movement, which was fostered and promoted by the Social Democrats and the Communists. Their hostility toward the Church made me pin my hopes on Hitler for a while.

I am paying for that mistake now; and not me alone, but thousands of other persons like me.

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....and in 1941 Einstein said that the Christian community was the only ones taking a stand against Hitler and the Nazi's.

Anybody see any similarities to democrats?

Yup.  H5 for finding and posting that.

Lurkers, you own it.

[Rebel]

Hell, they own Fascism. On one hand they say we're neanderthals that want the government limited to the size of Somalia, with no regulations, controls, etc., and on the other they call us Fascists, who believe the means of production belong to the private citizens, but is heavily regulated and controlled by the government. Does that sound like us? Or them? Hmmmmm?

  DUmbasses. You own both.

[Ralph Wiggum]

If you can’t see this simple short step from Democracy to full-blown fascism, you’re as brain dead as the MSM that totally ignored (and even abetted) our progression from freedom to servitude.

I'm totally confused.  I thought from 2001 through 2009, we WERE living in facism & Nazi-ism under President ChimpyMcBushHitler.  That's what the DUmp told me.

[thundley4]

I'm totally confused.  I thought from 2001 through 2009, we WERE living in facism & Nazi-ism under President ChimpyMcBushHitler.  That's what the DUmp told me.

It is strange that the DUmmies howls of fascism and Nazi have increased in the last couple of years. Just imagine how they will act when the Perry/Palin ticket is sworn in.

[FiddyBeowulf]

came fully formed from Zeus's head

Nadin must have gotten that phrase from somewhere, after "googling" Chomsky or something. I remember seeing it other of her posts. It might make her seem insightful if it was not for the fact she overuses it to the Nth degree.

[wasp69]

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-06-11 06:19 PM
Original message

How long before our Commander-in-Chief becomes our Dictator-in-Chief? If you can’t see this simple short step from Democracy to full-blown fascism, you’re as brain dead as the MSM that totally ignored (and even abetted) our progression from freedom to servitude.

Obama:  I'm done working with Congress.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/09/02/obama-congress-2/

 

Get back to me whenever you regain some form of original and sentient thought, DUmbass....

[GOBUCKS]

Nadin must have gotten that phrase from somewhere, after "googling" Chomsky or something. I remember seeing it other of her posts. It might make her seem insightful if it was not for the fact she overuses it to the Nth degree.

She's used it at least three times in the past couple of days. I'm not complaining. At least she's spelled "Zeus".
She's been readying Greek mythology.

[DumbAss Tanker]

NOMOREDRUGWAR (89 posts)     Tue Sep-06-11 06:25 PM
Response to Original message
... Part of the reason why Democrats win such a huge percentage of the vote each time as that the Republicans are largely seen as racist idiots by the Jewish commmunity.

 

And part of the reason the Democrats get that big percentage is because they see the Jewish community as useful idiots.

[GOBUCKS]

And part of the reason the Democrats get that big percentage is because they see the Jewish community as useful idiots.

Dems win the Jewish vote because Republicans are seen as Christian.

[delilahmused]

You people are so pathetic! You're practically wishing for some noble, idyllic (but safe) Hallmark movie martyrdom so you can be the real victims you think you are. None of you, not one, even those with family members who were in a concentration camp can understand. My FIL landed on D-Day and fought through hell all the way to Germany. None of us understand what he went through. He says if you've seen Saving Private Ryan that's pretty close to what it was like. And still, we don't really understand. Any more, I don't even believe you Jews who say you're offended by the comparison of conservatives to Nazis because everything offends you guys.

BTW, the closest thing to concentration camps we've had in this country is the slavery (and subsequent terrorism when blacks were freed and tried to become just like every other citizen) embraced and perpetuated by DEMOCRATS. You can try to convince yourselves that kind of racism has somehow switched parties. But, that falls flat because you still have them enslaved, living in rat & gang infested neighborhoods in buildings that are crumbling before their eyes. You feign compassion by throwing them crumbs. You've beat down generations and now they are left hopeless, seeing no way out. Those that do escape and join the "other side" suffer such vicious attacks that you might as well whip them. At least that will end.  What's sad is you're still keeping them from being productive citizens able to fully participate in their country.

Of course there were the camps your hero FDR put Japanese (and even Germans and Italians) CITIZENS. Mr. Government Make-Work projects even confiscated everything of value they had worked hard for their entire lives. While not even near the suffering of the Jews in WWII, it still showed the typical democrat racism and suspicion of those who are different than you. People like that have to be controlled. And now you're trying to do to Hispanics what you did to blacks. How twisted is that!

But Reagan was "close" to putting you in camps, Bush was "close" to putting you in camps. The Republican who beats 0bama will be "on the verge" of putting you in camps too. Right now, all you can do is pretend you're suffering. Most of us living in the US have never felt true suffering. You're imagined victimhood dishonors those truly suffering beatings, rapes, death, kidnapping happening around the world. So **** you all and your Fantasy Island internment camps.

Cindie

[RWKindaGuy]

She's used it at least three times in the past couple of days. I'm not complaining. At least she's spelled "Zeus".
She's been readying Greek mythology.

She's like a kid with a new toy.  She'll tire of it quickly, though, and move on to the next shiny object.  As the line from the movie UP says, "Oooohhhh, Squirrel"