primitive doesn't like new neighbor

[franksolich]

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Oh my.

Tempest (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 01:58 PM
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Just when you think people can't get any lower (new neighbor rant)

I've lived in the same house for 11 years and have become good friends with my next door neighbor and their immediate and extended family. The couple had their house built more than 60 years ago and raised two boys in the house (one died in Vietnam) and always have their grand kids over to visit and I would take time to entertain them (I think I got the most out the experience).

The husband died several years ago and I was there to help the widow get through it by doing household chores and yard work for her. I've since become part of their family and always invited to their gatherings.

The wife is now in her 80s and no longer able to live alone. One of her grand kids decided they would buy a new house together and have her live with them which meant her house would have to be sold. And this is where the rant starts.

The buyers had an agreement with my neighbor that she could live in the house and pay rent until she could move the accumulation of 60 years out, which was agreed to be the 16th of this month. The agreement also paid the buyer double their expenses for staying in a hotel during this time. On Friday afternoon the buyer told my neighbor she had 24 hours to leave the house. Because the buyer had been difficult during the entire sale, my neighbor decided not to fight it and move. That night the buyer and his wife waited until her grandchildren had left and within 5 minutes were at her door at 11:30pm strong-arming her to make sure she got out by 5pm the next day.

I now have signs in my truck and on my front lawn which state:

The new owners of xxxxx (the address of the house) strong-armed an 85 year old woman out of her home of 60+ years.

FOR SHAME!!!

I also have to find a way of dealing with my new neighbor other than what immediately comes to mind.

It's going to be an interesting next couple of weeks.

Thanks for listening. Just posting this helps.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-04-11 02:02 PM
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1. Sounds like a very poor start for your relationship with your new neighbor. Too bad. Disputes between next-door neighbors are always unpleasant. Good luck.

bluestateguy (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-04-11 02:03 PM
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2. Just shun him

Have no relationship with your new neighbors. Don't talk to them, don't introduce yourself to them, don't invite them over, don't do them any favors. Just have no relationship with them whatsoever.

Tempest (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 02:07 PM
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5. I've also talked to all my other neighbors

And they're just as upset because of how much everyone liked and respected my old neighbor. One of them is very religious and said she would bring it up in her church.

The new neighbors will get no welcome from anyone in the area and I'm going to make sure of it.

Hawkowl  (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 02:07 PM
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6. Don't do it around witnesses

Sticking the knife in his neck.

Seriously though, you have a brand new problem neighbor and you are going to have problems. Good luck.

Uh oh.

One of the freepers who killed Andy must've reported this post to the new neighbors.

Cirque du So-What (1000+ posts)     Sun Sep-04-11 02:10 PM
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9. There's still time to edit your post for intemperate things said in haste.

A-Schwarzenegger  (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-04-11 02:12 PM
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10. Agreed.

Tempest (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 02:17 PM
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12. They just came over

Started in some B.S. and I laid it out for them that I got the story from two sources, one of which I've known for 11 years and has never lied to me before.

While this was going on his wife was screaming using "****" in every other sentence.

I plan to find his employer and let him know what kind of a person he has working for him.

leftofcool (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 02:31 PM
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15. NO, we do not call employers on nasty neighbors

First, it might get you in trouble and secondly, it puts you on their level. Shunning is better.

Tempest (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 02:33 PM
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17. You're right, and it's the anger showing
 
I'll probably just lay low and report them for every little infraction I can find.

snagglepuss  (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 03:27 PM
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23. I'm not a lawyer but those signs on your truck might be slanderous.

That said I think they're jerks and shunning sounds like like a good response.

Tempest (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 03:30 PM
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25. I welcome the attempt at suing me

I have five separate witnesses I can call all with the same story.

Including the real estate agent for my neighbor who said she couldn't believe they would do this to her.

Posteritatis (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 03:57 PM
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30. Wouldn't the signs have to be false to qualify as such?

Tempest (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 04:03 PM
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31. Not only that

But it would have to be proven that they are intended to maliciously defame them.

All I did was put up a sign that summarized the actions that have been verified by five different people involved.

Divernan (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-04-11 02:34 PM
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19. Order them off your property. Call the cops and report threatening trespassers. 

Ask the cops what actions you can/should take to keep them from trespassing. Keep a written record of any further contact they initiate, any vandalism to your property, any shouted obscenities, etc., should you end up needing a restraining order.

Be extremely careful that whatever you tell others is completely factual, so you can't get sued for slander(spoken)/libel(written). If you got his employer to fire him, this guy could sue you for loss of income.

Might ask the cops to check these new neighbors out for a criminal record and if they have licensed firearms. If they get drunk or do drugs, they would be very dangerous.

Be careful - they sound extremely and unnecessarily aggressive

dixiegrrrrl  (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 02:37 PM
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21. You bad mouth him to his employer= bad idea.

You may end up needing a lawyer for the outcome of that.

Best idea: former neighbor family get a lawyer and see what grounds they have for breach of contract since new people moved in contrary to agreement.

Pls. tell me the agreement WAS in the purchase contract????

Tempest (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 03:28 PM
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24. The agreement was in the purchase contract
 
But after everything they put my neighbor through, she just wanted out.

Her grandchildren said they would contact a lawyer next week.

I talked to my neighbor's real estate agent and she had nothing good to say about the buyers or their agent. She was as disgusted as the rest of us.

XanaDUer (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-04-11 02:17 PM
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13. I just re-read it

You might want to remove one line.

Other than that, good on you for caring about an elderly neighbor. I hope the new neighbors don't turn into a thorn in your side.

mahina  (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 02:30 PM
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14. Good luck.

Your heart was in the right place to help your neighbor, for sure.

Just heads up though about calling his boss, slander is tough to prove but financial loss as a consequence of what is said makes it easier. Watch out for yourself.

I'm sorry you lost a great neighbor and sorry you have such a lousy person living next door now. No way are they neighbors.

I agree with the other posters. Ignore them. They don't exist.

Tempest (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 02:31 PM
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16. I have multiple sources who would be witnesses
 
He would have nothing.

I'm willing to take that chance.

Codeine  (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 02:35 PM
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20. Neighborhood drama is SO not worth it.

kestrel91316  (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-04-11 03:10 PM
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22. The community needs to shun them. There is a time and a place for it -

HERE AND NOW is the time and place.

No arguments, no fuss, just treat them like they don't exist. If they are nasty or overtly threatening or make trouble, use the law for its intended purposes.

ellenrr  (513 posts)        Sun Sep-04-11 03:42 PM
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26. I think you did a principled thing. Kudos.

Tempest (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 03:48 PM
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27. Thanks everyone
 
I'm going to do the right thing and ignore them.

Whenever I clean out my garbage and yard waste bins, I clean out the bins of the houses around me. Not theirs.

I sweep the gutters starting at houses on both sides of me and across the street. Not theirs. (And yes, I'm anally retentive when it comes to cleanliness.)

I also ask my neighbors if they need help whenever I see them doing something they may need a hand with. Not them.

tapermaker (4 posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 03:52 PM
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28. things i think up in my sleep

these are some of the things i would think about doing to your neighbor in my sleep

1. spray paint their car ,house, and driveway with hate speech.
2.put sugar in his gas tanks
3.spray round up all over his lawn when they are sleeping.
4.plant pot in their back yard and call the cops.
5.collect road kill and dump on their back porch.
6. save up dog poop from all other neighbors and dump it on their front lawn.
7.record their foul mouthed behavior and display on you tube.
8.when they are away , take a scratch pad from the kitchen sink and wash all their windows.
9.wait for them to leave the window open on their car then hide a dead fish under the seat.
10. cut the legs on their patio furniture so when they sit down they end up on the ground.

Tempest (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 03:54 PM
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29. "record their foul mouthed behavior and display on you tube"

Brilliant.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1875109

Oh my.

Uh oh.

One of the freepers who killed Andy must've reported this post to the new neighbors.

Oh for crying out loud.  It isn't even worth it.  Why not try having an adult conversation?  You will have to live right beside these people for God only knows how long.  Why do you want so much drama?

[Tucker]

dixiegrrrrl  (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-04-11 02:37 PM
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21. You bad mouth him to his employer= bad idea.

You may end up needing a lawyer for the outcome of that.

Best idea: former neighbor family get a lawyer and see what grounds they have for breach of contract since new people moved in contrary to agreement.

Pls. tell me the agreement WAS in the purchase contract????

Not siding with the buyer or seller but the conditions should have been spelled out in the purchase agreement. If not, then no bitch.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Not siding with the buyer or seller but the conditions should have been spelled out in the purchase agreement. If not, then no bitch.

Indeed.

A "gentleman's agreement" last only so long as you're inside the gentleman's club.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I'll bet the new neighbors are Democrats.

 

Note the odd lack of reference to anything that would tie them to the GOP, Conservatives, or the TEA Party...

[jtyangel]

Also, does she really know what went on in that sale? Perhaps the 85 neighbor was a doll, but her grandchildren were pita with the buyers themselves, perhaps asking for several extensions. How does she know that they didn't go back to the buyer for the who knows how many-ith time and say the 16th wouldn't be good enough and they needed more time. Quite frankly, the actions of the buyer sound like someone who has had it with waiting for the sellers to move out on what was probably a VERBAL agreement extended many times over. I wish I could see all the agreements, I'd bet there have been many verbal extensions from the ACTUAL date intended to move out. I say this because I know several 60 year olds who have had to clean out the long time homes of their deceased 80-something year old parents who it took MONTHS to do. I wouldn't be surprised if the grandkids ended up in over their heads and kept extending.

[FreeBorn]

Mrs. Kravitz ("Tempest") needs to learn how to mind her own damn business.

[shadeaux]

I know I'd take that sign off my truck if I were him.  You act the ass, don't cry when you get something done to your property.

My God, they steady stick their noses where it doesn't belong.

[Evil_Conservative]

I'll bet the new neighbors are Democrats.

 

Note the odd lack of reference to anything that would tie them to the GOP, Conservatives, or the TEA Party...

I'm waiting for her/his new neighbor to have the Obama/Biden 2012 sticker on their car.

[SarasotaRepub]

Now we all know this isn't the whole story. 

[vesta111]

Now we all know this isn't the whole story. 

This poster is very disturbed as are some of the people who suggested harassing the new neighbors.

The pure hate that spills out of the posters mind is chilling to hear, the loss of control of things that are none of their business and now over and done with boggles the mind.

Turn this around, put yourself in the place of the new neighbor.   You buy a home and move into a new neighborhood and you find your neighbor is very hostilt toward you.    SO, you meet other neighbors and find they are aloof and unfriendly.

Best thing one can do is to contact the family of the sellers and ask a zillion questions about the neighborhood they were raised up in.  One cannot live a peacefull life with all the suspicion about you and family floating around.

The poster is just a old time friend of the members of the family, not privy to any personal contracts or agreements of the family,  all he knows is what the owner of the home has told him and in mid-80's she may be confused or hard of seeing or hearing herself.   

The poster may have been treated like part of their family for Years, but he has no right to interfear with the family's private and personal business.

My sympathies go with the New Neighbors that moved next to a possible dangerous senile old fool.

[BlueStateSaint]

This poster is very disturbed as are some of the people who suggested harassing the new neighbors.

The pure hate that spills out of the posters mind is chilling to hear, the loss of control of things that are none of their business and now over and done with boggles the mind.

Turn this around, put yourself in the place of the new neighbor.   You buy a home and move into a new neighborhood and you find your neighbor is very hostilt toward you.    SO, you meet other neighbors and find they are aloof and unfriendly.

Best thing one can do is to contact the family of the sellers and ask a zillion questions about the neighborhood they were raised up in.  One cannot live a peacefull life with all the suspicion about you and family floating around.

The poster is just a old time friend of the members of the family, not privy to any personal contracts or agreements of the family,  all he knows is what the owner of the home has told him and in mid-80's she may be confused or hard of seeing or hearing herself.  

The poster may have been treated like part of their family for Years, but he has no right to interfear with the family's private and personal business.

My sympathies go with the New Neighbors that moved next to a possible dangerous senile old fool.

BLIND SQUIRREL ALERT!
Vesta, I H5ed you for that.