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Re: Pot - debate
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2011, 01:46:53 PM »
I don't enjoy supporting murderers, thieves, or rapists, either.  Just make all that legal, too?  YOUR logic.
no, my logic is "anything that is victimless, should not be a crime." everything you mention clearly has a victim.
there still can be regulation. driving under the influence can lead to an innocent death, should no be allowed. employers can still prohibit drug use on the job just like alcohol.

now if are assuming another's logic, consider this.

i believe most conservatives feel the war on poverty is a failure. and continuing does more harm than good. which leads to a waste of resources that could never be justified.
that same logic apply's to the war on drugs. so why not the same opinion on it?

once again, i am not a drug user. i do not want it legalized for the tax revenue. i do not think it is the holy grail of medicinal value. When someone wants to toke up, and it does not affect anyone else, why can anyone who believes in "Liberty and justice for all" want it illegalized???

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Re: Pot - debate
« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2011, 05:18:03 PM »
Legalize it. Put all the taxes on it that are on alcohol and tobacco. Figure out a way to test if one is driving under the influence.

No I don't smoke it, never have. But not only do I know people who use it recreationally, but some who have used it during chemo treatments as it is an appetite stimulant and also seems to help with the horrendous nausea that comes with chemo.

Smoking pot it and of itself, does not lead to using the harder drugs. What leads a pot smoker to the "hard stuff" is the person who is selling the pot. The dealer is going to make much more money getting the pot smoker onto the harder stuff than they are from marijuana. Like Rebel said, it's those animals in the drug cartels in Mexico that are shipping a lot of the marijuana into the US. Grant people licenses to grow it, just like the government does for tobacco farmers. Those leases are hard to get, used to be down here in the south, selling land with a tobacco lease was way more valuable than one without. Make marijuana leases the same.

There are thousands upon thousands of individuals incarcerated for marijuana - either for using or dealing a couple of ounces. Billions of tax dollars go for their court costs, prison costs, attorney fees. All monies that could be used much more effectively somewhere else. Heck, there are people in prison for marijuana crimes for longer prison terms than some murderers have!! What do you think happens to a 18-19 yo kid who got busted for an ounce or more of pot, spending years in an violent environment surrounded by murderers and rapists? Does anyone really think that individual is going to come out of prison any where remotely near "normal"? Chances are much higher that individual will be back in prison within a year or two than becoming a productive member of society.

Does marijuana kill brain cells? Maybe. But so does alcohol and tobacco. Is excessive use bad? Maybe. Excessive alcohol use is bad. So is excessive use of tobacco for some people. For that matter, Rx drugs used to excess can be just as bad - physically and certainly financially. Look at all the people that are hooked on oxycontin. How many of them started out with a 10 day 'script for pain following surgery, and are now seriously addicted to it? How many of you who are so opposed to the legalization of marijuana, have taken oxy, or percoset, or Tylenol 3 for pain - that a physician prescribed for you, because it IS legal - or even have demerol Rx's for migraine headaches? While YOU might not be one who abuses the use of pain pills, doesn't mean that Jimmy Joe Bob down the street hasn't become addicted any one or more of them after he had that little bit of surgery on his knee that he twisted playing tag football with his kids in his backyard.

Those Rx drugs that are oh so legal, are MORE physically addictive than marijuana is. Marijuana is an emotionally/psychologically addictive substance rather than a physically addictive substance. The body does not crave it, the mind wants it to make the person "feel better" emotionally rather than physically. It has a calming effect, making the smoker more "laid back and mellow" rather than argumentative and/or combative. 

As far as being a more dangerous person/parent for using marijuana....that's crap. Go live with a violent alcoholic for 6 months. Then come back and tell me who is worse. I've been around recreational pot smokers for 40 years, since I was a freshman in college, and never had a one of them lay a hand on me. But I do know what's it's like to have a black eye from an alcoholic and be chased out of the house with him holding a butcher knife that he threatened to use on me.   
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Re: Pot - debate
« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2011, 08:13:31 AM »
 debk - :clap:  H5

So glad you got out of that last bit.  I survived my own Budweiser-sponsored "Hurricane Bob;" I'd rather walk by a happy pot smoker in a dark alley any day.

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Re: Pot - debate
« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2011, 01:54:29 PM »
...My logic is that marijuana is a drug that studies funded by advocates for legalized recreational pot, and therefore with a profit motive to report back the results they do show to be less harmful than cigarettes or alcohol...

FIFY, sweetie. :II:

I can point to at least as many different studies - funded by groups that would like to see cannabis eradicated from the face of the earth, of course - which point to the brain damaging effects of marijuana use, and the secondary crime rates associated with the drug.  They still aren't going to convince you that you should abandon the Evil Devil's Weed for clean living any more than your studies will convince me that Marijuana is THE Wonder Drug that Works Wonders, and I should advocate for legalization so that I can take up a three pack a day habit of the stuff.
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Re: Pot - debate
« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2011, 02:19:23 PM »
so that I can take up a three pack a day habit of the stuff.

Good heavens if we legalize weed, you may end up smoking 3 packs a day!  I never knew this was a risk!  I may need to rethink my position!    :wink:


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