Someone I hardly know called me at home and told me his BIL killed himself

[Tucker]

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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Jul-31-11 10:17 PM
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A guy that works for me just called me. His BIL shot himself. Iraqi Vet.
   
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 10:18 PM by givemebackmycountry
Suffered from PTSD.
Blew his brains out with a handgun.
He spent a fair amount of his time in Fallujah.

How do I respond to THAT?
What do I say to him?
Other then he has my support and whatever he needs, he's got it.
He is on his way to comfort his sister, and I am wondering tonight...

WAR!
WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?
ABSOLUTELY ****ING NOTHING.

Makes the drama in DC over the debt ceiling seem rather insignificant, does it not?

MOTHER****ERS!


:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I'm sure he did. My question is, why would he call you?

csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Jul-31-11 10:24 PM
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5. That sucks. Please give condolences to the family
   
And no, there is nothing you can do but try to help them get through it.

Why we put our brave men and women through this shit for nothing I will never understand.

It's an all volunteer Army. You can figure it out from there.

Hatchling Donating Member (869 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Jul-31-11 10:24 PM
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6. I wonder.
   
Did the worries over his VA benefits add to it?

Grasping at straws.

RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Jul-31-11 10:40 PM
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9. condolences
   
I'm so sorry to hear - but at least we know the name of his murderers. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al.

Hopefully one day we will have a nation that has the moral strength to try them for crimes against humanity.

Hold you breath until that happens. You'll be a real blue democrat when you expire.

Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Jul-31-11 10:59 PM
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14. Often vets do this b/c they are afraid they might eventually hurt someone else
   
if they don't. It's the "take it out on themselves instead of others" approach to coping with uncontrollable rage.

My late husband was 100% disabled from PTSD, a Viet Nam vet. He had it as bad as it can get, and told me all about what he was going through, thousands of hours talking about it. Also numerous other vet friends of his had the same thing.

He was one of the very few who had it that bad and was not institutionalized. Mostly because we found our own ways to cope with it. It took changing our way of life quite a bit. For instance, I slept on the sofa for the last 15 years of his life. To this day even after he's gone, I still can't sleep in a bed. (maybe someday) One thing I feel good about is that he passed away peacefully in his sleep at home, of natural causes. I always almost assumed that the end would at best include flashing lights and sirens and EMTs and an ER. (Those things are stressful for PTSD vets, so I'm glad he was spared that.)

Give your friend your sympathy and support, that helps the most. There might be a support group for PTSD vets and/or families.

PTSD never goes away and it never gets better. But a vet CAN learn to LIVE WITH it, given enough support from others around him/her. It takes learning one's own customized ways of dealing with one's own specific symptoms and issues. It takes a lot of trial and error and a lot of thought, talk, and looking for answers. It isn't easy. It takes a long time, it's not a fast process. That's in a nutshell the best I can describe what to do, for anyone who may be coping with it.

There is just so much BS in this that I don't know where to begin.

And then we have another DUmmy who takes their life story right from TV.

Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Aug-01-11 04:08 AM
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16. My WWII Marine father took his own life many, many years after
   
WWII on December 7 after watching the news. My mother was at a meeting when he did it, but earlier that night they had been watching scenes of the war on the news (since it was the anniversary of Pearl Harbor). She and a neighbor found him in our back yard when she returned home.

Daddy never talked about the war, but everyone who knew him before said he wasn't the same person when he returned. My grandmother used to talk to me about him and how different he was. His brother, my uncle, was in the Navy on a ship and he didn't see the horrors that my father did.

Daddy fought in the Battle of Cape Gloucester, the Battle of Peleliu and the Battle of Okinawa. I never realized how awful those battles were until my husband and I watched the recently released color films which were shown on The History Channel.

Most of the WWII veterans just didn't talk about the war. One of Daddy's friends had been a POW, and he used to call Daddy and talk and weep, but my daddy just didn't express his own feelings.

He really was a good father, a great provider and I loved him so very much, but we all knew to avoid his "moods" as we were growing up.

His suicide devastated our entire family and we've never been the same.

I hate war.

Not the History Channel but the HBO series "The Pacific." It's like you just copied the script.

So you made a minor change by naming a different channel, in order to throw the DUmmies off. Didn't you think that someone would recognize it? Have you no shame?

Your type is the lowest form of life on the planet. I piss on your grave.

[jukin]

The DUches would rather lie than tell the truth...or heaven forbid just shut up.

[delilahmused]

Yeah, cuz if someone in your family dies, whether self inflicted or not, you're going to run straight to the telephone and call an acquaintance you work with.

And lots of things cause PTSD. Even a car accident.  I blame 0bama for making people drive cardboard boxes.

Cindie

[thundley4]

Yeah, cuz if someone in your family dies, whether self inflicted or not, you're going to run straight to the telephone and call an acquaintance you work with.

And lots of things cause PTSD. Even a car accident.  I blame 0bama for making people drive cardboard boxes.

Cindie

I think the guy called him to take time off work.  The caller works for the DUmmie, or so he claims.  The guy is probably just another DUmmie and is using a fictional family member to get some time off.

[GOBUCKS]

Daddy fought in the Battle of Cape Gloucester

I think you're right about this DUmmy basing her bouncy tale on the HBO series "The Pacific", even though she left out Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima.
The HBO show featured the combat at Cape Gloucester, but every time I've seen an actual documentary about it, it's been referred to
as the battle of New Britain.

I wonder if she lives in Tiburon.

[Tucker]

I think you're right about this DUmmy basing her bouncy tale on the HBO series "The Pacific", even though she left out Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima.
The HBO show featured the combat at Cape Gloucester, but every time I've seen an actual documentary about it, it's been referred to
as the battle of New Britain.

I wonder if she lives in Tiburon.

I don't know how many were involved in all five campaigns. It was easier for her to stick to the script.

As to her uncle being sheltered from the war because he was on a ship, she better tune in to the Military or History channel next week. Maybe they'll cover this little naval engagement called Midway.

[ChuckJ]

givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Jul-31-11 10:17 PM
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A guy that works for me just called me. His BIL shot himself. Iraqi Vet.

The bolded threw up a red flag for me. If this guy works for the poster that means that the poster owns a business. Why would someone who owns a business be a liberal?

[Tucker]

The bolded threw up a red flag for me. If this guy works for the poster that means that the poster owns a business. Why would someone who owns a business be a liberal?

Maybe he owns a grass cutting service. All you need is a rust bucket pick up truck, two push mowers and three illegal aliens.

[GOBUCKS]

As to her uncle being sheltered from the war because he was on a ship, she better tune in to the Military or History channel next week. Maybe they'll cover this little naval engagement called Midway.

Or Guadalcanal, or Okinawa. I had a close friend who was on destroyers at both, sunk and rescued at Guadalcanal in 1942, and under kamikaze attack at Okinawa in 1945. His description of the kamikaze attacks was not how they look on TV. He said a swarm of planes would select and simultaneously dive on the same ship. He always thought combat footage was censored, even post-war, to make kamikaze attacks look less effective than they really were.

[FreeBorn]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQtU_fYe6gE[/youtube]

Dummies... 

Hey hippies, leave our fallen veterans out of your bullsh!t stories. They don't deserve to be desecrated by your lies and you don't deserve to mention them at all. 

[ChuckJ]

Or Guadalcanal, or Okinawa. I had a close friend who was on destroyers at both, sunk and rescued at Guadalcanal in 1942, and under kamikaze attack at Okinawa in 1945. His description of the kamikaze attacks was not how they look on TV. He said a swarm of planes would select and simultaneously dive on the same ship. He always thought combat footage was censored, even post-war, to make kamikaze attacks look less effective than they really were.

Or the Battle off Samar.

[Tucker]

Or Guadalcanal, or Okinawa. I had a close friend who was on destroyers at both, sunk and rescued at Guadalcanal in 1942, and under kamikaze attack at Okinawa in 1945. His description of the kamikaze attacks was not how they look on TV. He said a swarm of planes would select and simultaneously dive on the same ship. He always thought combat footage was censored, even post-war, to make kamikaze attacks look less effective than they really were.

My Uncle (by marriage) lost an arm at the shoulder. His ship was hit by a kamikaze attack. He committed suicide in 62. I think it had more to do with my Aunt than anything else. He waited until she came home and shot himself in front of her.

[vesta111]

Say Guys, seems like you have the sensitivity of a ground hog.   

Jesus Christ  on a pogo stick, a death in the family makes people do strange things.

People go all air head, I know as at a dentists office I got a call informing me of a cousins death and on the way out could not remember my home number and gave the office my bests friends number.------Her husband called a few days later wanting to know why my dentists office had called their home.

Even with expected death of a family member, told my dad had died and I had  to go home, I had to get someone to open my locker for me, had to get someone to drive me home,  I got on the phone and called people who I had not see in years, ----Shock, the reality of life plays in here.

Unexpected death is another bag of worms. ----Life goes in slow motion, things are done only to be forgotten weeks later.  Some things one remembers others go off in time.

The death of a friend family member or coworker is  a shock to all who survive, in time the shock wears off, but are we not able to understand the grief of others. 

There comes a time when we all are placed in the situation of the grievers we blew off. 

[Tucker]

Say Guys, seems like you have the sensitivity of a ground hog.   

Jesus Christ  on a pogo stick, a death in the family makes people do strange things.

People go all air head, I know as at a dentists office I got a call informing me of a cousins death and on the way out could not remember my home number and gave the office my bests friends number.------Her husband called a few days later wanting to know why my dentists office had called their home.

Even with expected death of a family member, told my dad had died and I had  to go home, I had to get someone to open my locker for me, had to get someone to drive me home,  I got on the phone and called people who I had not see in years, ----Shock, the reality of life plays in here.

Unexpected death is another bag of worms. ----Life goes in slow motion, things are done only to be forgotten weeks later.  Some things one remembers others go off in time.

The death of a friend family member or coworker is  a shock to all who survive, in time the shock wears off, but are we not able to understand the grief of others. 

There comes a time when we all are placed in the situation of the grievers we blew off. 

It's not about the BIL dying. It's about the DUmbass running to DU and posting about someone he had never met. He goes on to politicize the war, which was his intentions, regardless if there was a death or not.

The DUmbass used the event to make a political point.

[Ralph Wiggum]

The bolded threw up a red flag for me. If this guy works for the poster that means that the poster owns a business. Why would someone who owns a business be a liberal?

Good catch, I was thinking along the same lines.

I was more amazed that the DUmmy has a job period.  Of course he could have been making up the entire story to begin with....

[AllosaursRus]

It's not about the BIL dying. It's about the DUmbass running to DU and posting about someone he had never met. He goes on to politicize the war, which was his intentions, regardless if there was a death or not.

The DUmbass used the event to make a political point.

What you said Tuck! This poster is just tryin' to stir up anti war sentiment.

Vesta, you have to remember, "DUmmies lie, they lie all the time"!

If one of my friends or relatives killed themselves, I don't think the first thing I would do is come here and share it! Y'all would probably never hear of it. Some things are private and don't need to be posted to all yer friends on FaceBook or any other site!

[GOBUCKS]

This OP had nothing to do with suicide or PTSD. Remember, these are DUmmies.

The only purpose DUmmy givemebackmycountry had in his post was one sentence:

A guy that works for me just called me.

DUmmy givemebackmycountry was letting the DUmp know that he's a Big Man, who has Employees,
and the DUmmies are just DUmbasses who don't even have jobs.

It's very similar to Pam Dawson's incessant posts about cruise ships, and including her fake Coach purse in every photo thread.
She even posted a photo to brag about the skinhead buying a Glock.