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Operation: Fast & Furious - Plenty of blame except where is belongs
« on: June 17, 2011, 12:46:23 PM »
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friendly_iconoclast  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-15-11 09:05 PM
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Mexico drug war: US sting 'let cartels buy guns'  
 Source: BBC

Hundreds of US guns were bought, resold and sent to Mexican drug cartels in an Arizona sting operation while US firearms agents were ordered not to intervene, Congress has heard.
 
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Webster Green  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-15-11 09:20 PM
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2. Bullshit!
 The corrupt muther****ers are covering their asses, after their gun smuggling scheme was exposed.

The ATF is every bit as corrupt as the DEA and the FBI. They are all fascist thugs. The DEA is just another big drug cartel. The FBI is ****ing useless other than looking through some Raging Granny's trash can for evidence of terrorism.

Dirtbag lying ****ing assholes.

Well, since the email released reveal top ATF muckety-mucks threatening the rank-and-file with their jobs if they didn't play along witht eh scheme being "closley watched at HQ"  I'm wondering who it is you are mad at.

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TheWraith  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-15-11 09:44 PM
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3. This reminds me of what Sibel Edmonds said about the FBI after 9/11.
 How they ordered all the translators to slow down work, so that they could complain to Congress about a huge backlog in translation efforts, to try and get more money and manpower.

It's in the ATF's interest for there to be a "problem" to solve, since they're the agency that's paid to solve it.

Smells like welfare.

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Corruption Winz (438 posts)      Wed Jun-15-11 11:10 PM
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4. Wait.... so you mean to tell me that another war on something that will never end...
 has failed once again? Impossible!

You know.. the name of this operation says a lot about how the government/law enforcement think. Operation: Fast And Furious. They really think they are the "good guys" in a real-life action movie. Which would be fine if the people dying were extras that we're standing around for free coffee and the chance to say they were in a big Hollywood movie.

Unfortunately for this douche bags, they're not. Real lives are at stake and perhaps a bit more preparation is in order. Maybe you don't just give criminals fire-arms and see what happens. Maybe you just arrest them and keep it moving.

Again, the field agents warned this was a stupid operation, so who are you mad at?

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Tejas (1000+ posts)     Thu Jun-16-11 09:40 PM
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5. And all the while KNOWING they couldn't track those guns beyond the border.
 You only do that on purpose.  

Hmmm...

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Javaman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-17-11 09:10 AM
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6. Meh, can't make money unless there is violence.  
 the perpetual war on drugs.

They seize the drugs, money and guns.

They destroy the drugs so there is a dearth in the market resulting in a high price.

They keep the money to fund the US alphabet agencies cottage industry.

They take their guns and destroy them, thus driving up demand at gun shows.

The gun show loop hole is kept open so felons and gang bangers and gun runners can sell guns at a massive profit to the cartels.

Rinse and repeat.

So the gov't is allowing criminals to buy guns so they can use the resulting crimes to enact gun control which tightens the supply for honest folks but the gun show loop hole to assuage the NRA allows criminals to buy guns...

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Re: Operation: Fast & Furious - Plenty of blame except where is belongs
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2011, 12:51:06 PM »
Under the Head Narcissist In Chief's and Eric "My People" Holder at the helm.
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Re: Operation: Fast & Furious - Plenty of blame except where is belongs
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2011, 01:04:26 PM »
ATF is the only law enforcement organization I can think of that should be dismantled, dissolved, and abolished.
They do absolutely nothing that couldn't, or shouldn't, be done much better by another agency.
They can't even catch TomInTib.
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Re: Operation: Fast & Furious - Plenty of blame except where is belongs
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2011, 01:21:00 PM »
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Javaman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-17-11 09:10 AM
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They take their guns and destroy them, thus driving up demand at gun shows.

The gun show loop hole is kept open so felons and gang bangers and gun runners can sell guns at a massive profit to the cartels.

Rinse and repeat.
The vast majority of these guns were purchased from dealers who ran background checks. Those who asked the ATF if selling large lots of rifles if it was ok were told to go ahead with the sales.

I am of the mind that one of the goals of the operation was to make sure a bunch of guns from US dealers ended up in Mexico to gin up support for more gun control laws.
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Re: Operation: Fast & Furious - Plenty of blame except where is belongs
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2011, 02:22:35 PM »
Quote from: FiddyBeowulf on June 17, 2011, 01:21:00 PM
I am of the mind that one of the goals of the operation was to make sure a bunch of guns from US dealers ended up in Mexico to gin up support for more gun control laws.

I think that it was the only reason for the op.
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Re: Operation: Fast & Furious - Plenty of blame except where is belongs
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2011, 02:29:01 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on June 17, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
ATF is the only law enforcement organization I can think of that should be dismantled, dissolved, and abolished.
They do absolutely nothing that couldn't, or shouldn't, be done much better by another agency.
They can't even catch TomInTib.
I'm with Jeff Foxworthy on that one. "ATF should be a convenience store, not a Government agency".
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Re: Operation: Fast & Furious - Plenty of blame except where is belongs
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2011, 05:50:49 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on June 17, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
ATF is the only law enforcement organization I can think of that should be dismantled, dissolved, and abolished.
They do absolutely nothing that couldn't, or shouldn't, be done much better by another agency.
They can't even catch TomInTib.

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