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Offline thundley4

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Groupthink or consensus at DU?
« on: May 15, 2011, 09:40:32 PM »
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The Hitman   (352 posts)           Sun May-15-11 06:02 PM
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Is there any part of the general DU "groupthink" that you disagree with?
   
I think generally there is a group consensus on a large variety of issues. But is there anything in particular anybody feels they are an outlier on?

A similar topic was discussed on Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/h58y2/this_wi... /) which views that, at least IMHO, are similar patterns to here.

I, for one, feel at odds with many people here over nonimmigrant visas. I think there is quite a bit of (unwarranted) animosity towards Hs and Ls. Does anyone else think they disagree with the general groupthink here?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1107988

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cali   (1000+ posts)             Sun May-15-11 06:04 PM
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1. since when does consensus = group think?

Since those that don't conform to the consensus are banned, it is coersive groupthink at DU.

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physioex   (1000+ posts)           Sun May-15-11 06:06 PM
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2. I think you meant H1 and L1....
   
Edited on Sun May-15-11 06:15 PM by physioex
Anyways here is the problem, and its not with the individual workers. Why do corporations need to import soo many workers when the unemployment level is soo high?

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The Hitman   (352 posts)           Sun May-15-11 06:07 PM
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7. You realize H-1B visas are capped, right?
   
65,000? That's a drop in the bucket.

Compared to 12m illegals it is.

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physioex   (1000+ posts)           Sun May-15-11 06:13 PM
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11. Not to me and my family.....
   
Edited on Sun May-15-11 06:16 PM by physioex
Glad you brought up that "drop in the bucket" because it's not. Look at all the jobs in the US that have been outsourced to India from call centers, financial services, and IT. Its no drop in the bucket my friend....

Not only that, when you outsource one job, there are many ripple effects on other businesses.

Look at all the jobs that have been insourced to illegals.

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The Hitman   (352 posts)           Sun May-15-11 06:32 PM
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19. Ummmm
   
Outsourcing has nothing to do with immigrants coming HERE to work in companies located in the US. I feel for you, but this is not the war you want to wage.

Pizza for one?

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physioex   (1000+ posts)           Sun May-15-11 06:45 PM
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26. WTF?
   
Not a war I want to wage? First of all, its not a war, this is a discussion of policy which is the purpose of this board. Ok in some ways outsourcing and H1s are "different", but the end result is the same.

I am not here to change your opinion and you wont change mine. And this is a issue I will continue to work on as long as it if affects the lively hood of my family and other legal american workers.

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The Hitman   (352 posts)           Sun May-15-11 07:02 PM
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37. H-1Bs are legal american workers, chief.
   
If the end result is the same it is because we make it extremely difficult for Hs to get immigrant visas.

In 2008 a nationwide study found that 13% were fraudulent.13 percent! out of 65,000, out of a nationwide workforce of HOW MANY?
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/oct...

I agree. Outsourcing is bad. Hs are not.

Facts are irrelevant compared to DUmmie feelings.

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aquart   (1000+ posts)             Sun May-15-11 06:07 PM
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6. I don't need groups to tell me how to think.
   
Sometimes I think contradictory things. Sometimes I even change my mind.

The only way to find out if anyone on the planet agrees with you is to say what you believe, not what you think other people may believe.

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readmoreoften   (1000+ posts)             Sun May-15-11 06:10 PM
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8. I'd say most all of it. But there's a difference between common principles and groupthink.
   
Common Principles: health care for all with no insurers taking citizen's wealth
Groupthink: If you don't agree with Obama's siding with the Republicans on Education than you want President Palin!11!!!

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Re: Groupthink or consensus at DU?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 09:44:23 PM »
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The Hitman   (352 posts)           Sun May-15-11 06:02 PM
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Is there any part of the general DU "groupthink" that you disagree with?
   
I think generally there is a group consensus on a large variety of issues. But is there anything in particular anybody feels they are an outlier on?

A similar topic was discussed on Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/p...cs/comments/h58y2/this_wi... /) which views that, at least IMHO, are similar patterns to here.

I, for one, feel at odds with many people here over nonimmigrant visas. I think there is quite a bit of (unwarranted) animosity towards Hs and Ls. Does anyone else think they disagree with the general groupthink here?

If this isn't a mole trap, or prelude to another mass exodus of dissidents, I don't know what is.
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Re: Groupthink or consensus at DU?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 10:49:12 PM »
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I am not here to change your opinion and you wont change mine. And this is a issue I will continue to work on as long as it if affects the lively hood of my family and other legal american workers.

The physioex primitive trying to building DUmp cred by crowing about the lively hood his family owns.  
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Re: Groupthink or consensus at DU?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 10:51:41 PM »
The lively hood is over there near the air  port. I think I'd rather live in a more sedate 'hood.
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Re: Groupthink or consensus at DU?
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2011, 11:13:33 PM »
The great DUmp purge of all Hillary supporters of 08 says it all.

The democrat party and the DUmp in particular are all about diversity as long as all everyone thinks the same.
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Re: Groupthink or consensus at DU?
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2011, 08:54:34 AM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on May 15, 2011, 09:44:23 PM
If this isn't a mole trap, or prelude to another mass exodus of dissidents, I don't know what is.

It has 'Mole trap' written all over it in capital letters, IMHO.
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Re: Groupthink or consensus at DU?
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 09:03:45 AM »
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physioex   (1000+ posts)           Sun May-15-11 06:06 PM
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2. I think you meant H1 and L1....
   
Anyways here is the problem, and its not with the individual workers. Why do corporations need to import soo many workers when the unemployment level is soo high?

Well, assuming you have a degree, what's it in? Humanities? Womyn's Studies? AA Studies? I'm assuming it's not mechanical engineering and that's the problem. Bill Gates spoke about this years ago. You idiots get degrees based on what you want to do, not what's marketable.
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