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Just a little talk about Jesus
« on: April 23, 2011, 08:01:34 PM »
I just finished reading a thread the Freeper started here. Part of one of the DU posts that he brought over caught my eye. I started to comment about it in Freeper's thread but decided to start a new topic as what I want to focus on is in a little bit different direction that the original thread. I hope Freep doesn't mind.

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Terra Alta  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-23-11 05:52 PM
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it's time for the rich to make some sacrifices for their country.   Updated at 5:53 PM
   
There are millions of Americans who are suffering today -- people in poverty, over a million homeless and most don't know where their next meal is coming from. This includes many, many children, who go to bed hungry, not knowing where their next meal will come from. And those are the ones who have a bed to go to.

There is a solution for this, and that is for the wealthiest people in this country to start paying more taxes. They can afford it; they are multi-millionaires and billionaires who will never have to want for anything. Tax the richest 10% at 50%, and the richest 1% at 75%. They would hardly notice it. Of course, they may not be able to buy that second yacht they've been wanting, or their seventh mansion -- but what's more important, having yet another mansion or having a roof over the head of every man, woman and child, and three meals a day for every family? Paying taxes is patriotic. The rich need to start being more patriotic.

This goes for corporations, too. Companies like Wal-mart, Target, McDonald's, etc. need to start paying their employees a living wage. I work for Wal-mart, and have been for six years now. I get a raise every year but still make below $10 an hour. While Rob Walton, Lee Scott, Mike Duke, et al, make billions. Yet many of their employees struggle to make ends meet.

Jesus Christ told the rich to sell their possessions and give to the poor. Many Christians talk about Jesus coming back and setting up his earthly kingdom, well if that's true then he will rule as a socialist.


In Matthew (chapter 19) and Mark (chapter 10) a man comes up to Jesus and asked what he could do to have eternal life. Jesus told him to keep the commandments. The man claimed that he had kept the commandments since he was boy. This was a lie. Jesus knew this was a lie. Not only because of His knowledge as God, but also because no one can keep every commandment. One of the purposes of the commandments are to show man that he is not perfect and needs help. Then Jesus told the guy if he wanted to be perfect he should sell everything that he owned and give all the money to the poor. The man walked away sadly because he had a lot of possessions.

We can automatically tell that this man was a limousine liberal. First, he is a liar. He lied about keeping all of the commandments. Liberals lie constantly. Just ask the coach, no finer man could you ever hope to meet. Second, he loved money and didn't want to share his with anyone. All liberals love money. The limo liberals who have tons of money want to keep it to themselves and the non-limo liberals want to take everyone else's money.

After the man left Jesus told the disciples that it was hard for a rich many to enter heaven. It's not because money is bad. Nor is it because having money is bad. It's because often times people who have money, like the liberal that asked Jesus about eternal life, begin to focus on their money and their money because their god.

In the book of 1st Timothy (chapter 6) Paul says that the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Not money. The LOVE of money. There are some conservatives who love money, but they don't hold a candle to the money loving put out by the liberals. Don't believe me? Check the charity stats. Conservatives constantly give more than liberals. AND who is constantly wanting the government to steal money from others and give it to them? I'll give you a hint: it starts with "li". I guess you'll get credit if you picked "liars" or "liberals" as the two are somewhat interchangeable.

Now let's look at this same text and check out the "socialist factor" of Jesus. You will notice at no time did Jesus say that the government should take all of the man's money and pass it out to the poor. At no time did Jesus TAKE the man's money and give it to the poor. Based on the words of Jesus it was the man's decision as to what to do with his money. That is not socialist. Nor is it liberal.
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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2011, 09:10:48 AM »
The whole, Jesus was a socialist meme, is one of the dumbest ones from the left.

Of course if we wanted to get crafty with this we could throw separation of church and state right back in their faces.
If Jesus told us to feed the poor we can't use govt to do so, it would violate the separation of church and state clause.  :-)
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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 09:39:58 AM »
The whole, Jesus was a socialist meme, is one of the dumbest ones from the left.

Of course if we wanted to get crafty with this we could throw separation of church and state right back in their faces.
If Jesus told us to feed the poor we can't use govt to do so, it would violate the separation of church and state clause.  :-)

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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 10:06:47 AM »
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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2011, 11:00:59 AM »
Liberal fear and hate Christians. But pretend to know all about Christ.

The bottom line is liberals worship govt. It is their provider for all things. free money, free drugs. Free housing and food.
Its why they confuse God with govt.

I'll listen to a liberal talk about Christ when they stop hating Christians and everything Christ stood for.

Hypocrite: Its a liberal looking in a mirror.

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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2011, 11:12:26 AM »
Liberal fear and hate Christians. But pretend to know all about Christ.

The bottom line is liberals worship govt. It is their provider for all things. free money, free drugs. Free housing and food.
Its why they confuse God with govt.

I'll listen to a liberal talk about Christ when they stop hating Christians and everything Christ stood for.

Hypocrite: Its a liberal looking in a mirror.

They don't have the right to utter the name Jesus as they only USE His name when they think it suits them.

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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2011, 11:42:20 AM »
Jesus was God in the flesh who paid the price of sin by willingly sacrificing Himself on the cross.

DUmmies reject every part of what His life here was about and few things anger me as much as when they reject His clearly stated purpose and try to ascribe a blasphemous meaning to it.

If you don`t believe then that is your choice but don`t pervert His reason for living.

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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2011, 07:36:42 PM »
Having once been a non-Christian that would have claimed to be a Christian, I see the same attitude I once had in so many of the DUmmies' posts.  It's easy to "know all about it" when you know so little that you don't even realize you're ignorant.  If they have ever read the New Testament, it was only bits and pieces.  Cherry-picked verses taken out of context to support the view of the picker.   ::) ::)
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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2011, 08:04:24 PM »
Having once been a non-Christian that would have claimed to be a Christian, I see the same attitude I once had in so many of the DUmmies' posts.

I find this incredibly difficult to believe about you.  You've always struck me as a Christian who has been secure in her beliefs since . . . well, childhood. :o
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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2011, 08:29:20 PM »
I would imagine that by the standards of Biblical times, every one of the DUmmies, not to mention a lot of the "poor", would be considered rich. So I have to ask, when are you DUmmies going to start selling your possessions and take in a homeless person? I mean, if there are really, "many, many children, who go to bed hungry", how can you in good conscience not give up your air conditioning and broadband internet and start buying a few cases of Ramen noodles to hand out?

You're going to invoke the name of Christ and wrap yourself in the cloak of starving children and then just sit back and wait for someone else to do something? Is that what Jesus would have done, wait for a government program that may or may not materialize to come along? Why do you think Jesus spoke to the people rather than demand an audience with the rulers of that time?

"Jesus Christ told the rich to sell their possessions and give to the poor." Do you think Jesus' sole concern here was for the welfare of the poor? He could have worked one of His many miracles and made sure the poor were taken care of for life. No, it was about people opening their hearts and loving their fellow man. That is not accomplished through forced taxation at the point of a gun, and His will is not done through a government bureaucracy. It has to come from individual choice or it be not done.

There are arguments you can make for government social programs, but "It is God's will" is not one of them.

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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2011, 06:45:24 PM »
I find this incredibly difficult to believe about you.  You've always struck me as a Christian who has been secure in her beliefs since . . . well, childhood. :o
Nope.  Actually have 5 kids by 4 different fathers, cussed like a sailor, was mostly a single mom for several years (though I continued to have "friends" stay, which is how I kept having kids.)  Even through all that, I would have said I was a Christian... because I had Zero knowledge of Christianity, theology, and the Holy Spirit. I even sent one kid to private Christian school to keep her off Ritalin, but remained so ignorant, I didn't even know that I was ignorant. 

This is exactly how many people live today.  They know so little about theology and the whole history of Christianity that they aren't even aware that they are ignorant.  You have to know a little bit to see how much you don't know...
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Re: Just a little talk about Jesus
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 07:04:48 PM »
Nope.  Actually have 5 kids by 4 different fathers, cussed like a sailor, was mostly a single mom for several years (though I continued to have "friends" stay, which is how I kept having kids.)  Even through all that, I would have said I was a Christian... because I had Zero knowledge of Christianity, theology, and the Holy Spirit. I even sent one kid to private Christian school to keep her off Ritalin, but remained so ignorant, I didn't even know that I was ignorant. 

This is exactly how many people live today.  They know so little about theology and the whole history of Christianity that they aren't even aware that they are ignorant.  You have to know a little bit to see how much you don't know...

I see.  You've been "lukewarm."  So have I.  Still have my times, though my wife's faith and the miracle that is my daughter do keep me somewhat centered . . . H5 for the admission.
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