DUmmy cali concedes that dems, cheek by jowl with Josef Stalin, are on the losing side of history. Of course, she does it in that typically gracious DUmp manner:
cali (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 10:50 AM
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part of me just says **** it.
**** it, let the repukes and corporations have their way completely. **** it, let it be a swift crash and burn rather than a slow motion one. **** the inevitable "compromises" that lend legitimacy.
Just **** it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x815629 MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 11:11 AM
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18. Who said anything about not voting.
But do you honestly think that a candidate that is spending a billion on an election doesn't have a few ship cable thick strings attached? No one not up to their eyeballs in corporate chronyism has a shot.
I must admit that I feel the same way. My wife and I are actively wrapping up our business and other details in the next 2 to 3 years and then we are leaving. I'm not sure the country can be fixed with triangulation and capitulation. We are going to have to spill blood. But as I honestly don't think that will happen in a TV addicted, propoganda (sic) laden country filled with Americans who, lets face it are a seriously self absorbed people historically, just don't give a shit?
Plus the fact that being self employed means that we can't get health insurance at ANY price that we can afford. My last estimates were for about $2000 a month with a $10,000 deductable. Which means I would have to spend $34,000 out of pocket before I got dime one out of an insurance company where all their worker drones are trained to NOOOOOOOOOOOOO at the drop of a pin.
It just isn't worth staying any more. The american experiment is as dead as the american dream. IMHO.
Don't you dare question his patriotism. Have you noticed that DUmmies don't claim patriotism anymore? Why is that?
Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 10:54 AM
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3. I don't think that's how you really feel, Cali. I think, like a lot of us, you just don't have a...
...good place to start. It's all so enormous. Not having a good plan leads to this sort of apathetic response but as someone who has spent a lot of time keeping others informed, apathetic is the last thing I'd label you with.
Not that that makes some approach to disarming all this bullshit any easier to deduce but...
It just sucks that our elected representatives couldn't help us out a little more.
cali (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 11:00 AM
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13. well, it's partly how I feel. It's so discouraging and yes so enormous
and it's day after day after day of horrendous news coming out of Congress and the states.
Huh? I think there's been a lot of encouraging news...oh, wait, that's the news she's talking about.
Autumn (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 10:55 AM
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4. I feel that way a lot
let it crash and burn. Let people see what these ****ing republicans are. This is what they want, time to quit letting them sell their snake oil.
Another gracious DUmmy.
As you read this, remember it's written by an angry SSI recipient, in a bathrobe, in someone else's basement:
Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 10:56 AM
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5. Yes
but then the survival instinct kicks in, and depending on how strong that is will determine the final outcome.
It will take many to say '**** it, I am not putting up with this shit any more. You want a fight then bring it and we will see who is still standing when the dust clears'.
It is time to bring the fight to them, to attack them until they are standing no more. To fight them in the same manner that they fight. Fight dirty if needs be, for the salvation of this country and world demands it.
I am frightened.
MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 11:15 AM
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20. I agree with everything except the world part.
I agree that someone is going to have to put Americorp down like the rabid dog it has become or democracy in the world is in serious danger. But it won't be hard. The fact is that we are already destroying our own military and replacing it with a mercenary force that will cut and run when they can't win easily. Mercenaries historically don't have the guts to stand and fight to the last man for an ideal or principle.
The only question I have is will someone need to take us down or will we just die in a pile of our own dorito and TV fueled goo.
Remember, don't you dare question his patriotism.
Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 11:23 AM
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27. As we destroy this country by pushing more people
towards the bottom you weaken this country.
As we get weaker and weaker will it really matter which way this country is destroyed??
MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 11:40 AM
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29. To the people on the bottom? No.
To the world? Yes. It would be so much more convenient for the majority of those who actually live in democratic countries if the US died with a whimper rather than having to be bludgeoned to death like a sucker fish. Will this happen? It's possible, but I think it is more likely that we will see a represive religious state emerge if there is a revolt in the USA. And I see other countries taking the lead in tech, etc., if that happens.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope Noam Chomsky is wrong when he predicted the same thing in the late 90's. But the trends are not looking promising.
Everything just went to hell when the Freepers killed Andy.
Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 11:48 AM
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31. If we turn into a repressive religious state then I fear
the streets will turn red and it will not be paint
Oooo..DUmmy Angry Dragon is scaring me even more.
jimlup (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 10:58 AM
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10. Yeah but eventually that attitude will get us killed
They want to give everything you have even your life to the plutocrats. And no, I'm not engaging in hyperbole: the reptilians are ruthless mother****ers. (Sorry, just had to vent a bit)
OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 10:59 AM
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11. Without real campaign finance reform & holding a corrupt media accountable, we are so ****ed.
I don't see that happening at all.
I don't know if it has happened in the distant past, but it seems that if you are very patient, you can create your own political persona well in advance to get elected one way and then govern that way you intended all along.
Remember the neocon creed... tell the people what they want to hear, lie to them, and then do what you want
MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 11:18 AM
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22. And unfortunately the neocons are now in both parties.
They own the GOP lock stock and barrel. And they seem to own a majority controlling interest of the Dems. I hate it, but it's true.
Hope? Nope.
As I read through this thread, I become more and more pessimistic about our chances of winning DUmmy MedicalAdmin's vote in 2012.
negativenihil (656 posts) Tue Apr-05-11 11:13 AM
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19. the only problem...
...is there will be people CHEERING the crash and burn on.
They won't learn. Seriously. They won't. Their team will be spun as "winning" and that's all they'll care about.
A noob urging on the suicidal dems.
NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 11:21 AM
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23. I agree with you, I'm tired and really have no more to give, just let the whole place burn as they
say... I've had enough.
in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-05-11 12:14 PM
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36. I know. How many YEARS have we been fighting these
parasites? TOO MANY! Now they're winning.
vim876 (160 posts) Tue Apr-05-11 12:25 PM
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41. We all understand. However,
the problem is that when progressives get apathetic, the people it really hurts are the most vulnerable members of our society. The single mom without health insurance who dies of cancer that might have been treated. The kid who might have gone to college if that after-school funding hadn't been cut. The kid who might have finished her nursing degree if she'd had access to reproductive health care, but now has to leave her kid with a questionable relative so she can go to her 'workfare' job. The guy with intractable pain who can't get disability because the funding isn't there. And so on. It's easy, as someone with relative privilege (as I assume you are, given the apparent makeup of the DU community), to say, "**** it." You aren't going to be one of the most affected. But can you honestly look at the people who are, and say, "Sorry, your life wasn't worth compromising my political principles?"
Commies losing...women, minorities hardest hit.
tahrir (106 posts) Tue Apr-05-11 12:30 PM
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44. I thought we had reached that point in 2008, when TPTB chess Ed the world economy
but I see that we still have a ways to go... right now I am thinking that we will have to lose all our labor, civil, and social rights and benefits, essentially be at a point equivalent to where we were pre FDR... and then suffer another crash... Probably another generation or 2 at least.
Though that may be accelerated in our Internet age, so that is about the only hope I have right now.
So, I agree, we will need to hit rock bottom before real change will come, and it will come from the bottom... same as ever.
Several apocalyptic noobies on this thread. True demonuts, or Lousy Freeper Trolls?
