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Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« on: February 28, 2011, 04:14:33 PM »
A post about fuels and genetic engineering - Seems the DUmmies dont cry about damage to the ecosystem a genetically engineered organism will produce when its creators are a moonbat company located in the People's Republic of Cambridge.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439

I wonder what they would say if it was Monsanto that produced the organism...   :whatever:

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defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)          Mon Feb-28-11 03:54 PM
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Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2


By JAY LINDSAY, Associated Press Jay Lindsay, Associated Press – Sun Feb 27, 5:09 pm ET
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – A Massachusetts biotechnology company says it can produce the fuel that runs Jaguars and jet engines using the same ingredients that make grass grow.

Joule Unlimited has invented a genetically-engineered organism that it says simply secretes diesel fuel or ethanol wherever it finds sunlight, water and carbon dioxide.

The Cambridge, Mass.-based company says it can manipulate the organism to produce the renewable fuels on demand at unprecedented rates, and can do it in facilities large and small at costs comparable to the cheapest fossil fuels.

What can it mean? No less than "energy independence," Joule's web site tells the world, even if the world's not quite convinced.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110227/ap_on_bi_ge/us_growing_fuel


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Sonoman  (813 posts)        Mon Feb-28-11 04:27 PM

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1. I heard an interview with someone from Joule.
   Edited on Mon Feb-28-11 04:30 PM by Sonoman
Really intriguing, but scalability is an issue, at present.

It sounded pretty promising, but it also sounded as if current technology wasn't really up to delivering on a large scale.

Sonoman

edited because I actually went back and read the article at link, which said basically what I did, but with a lot more words.

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valerief  (1000+ posts)          Mon Feb-28-11 04:57 PM
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2. Fuel that won't have to be shipped? Wow! Put those fuel makers on every roof! nt
   

  
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2011, 04:17:11 PM »
Hmmm I wonder if it is fresh water we're talking about here?  This could be a bigger boondoggle than Ethanol.  It takes huge amounts of fresh water to produce ethanol and that water becomes waste.

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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2011, 04:21:06 PM »
I'm sure they can, and it will be totally economical when fossil fuel reaches $60 a gallon.

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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2011, 04:22:35 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on February 28, 2011, 04:17:11 PM
Hmmm I wonder if it is fresh water we're talking about here?  This could be a bigger boondoggle than Ethanol.  It takes huge amounts of fresh water to produce ethanol and that water becomes waste.KC

...and the DUmmies get religion and sing "Shall we gather at the river....that flows by the ethanol plant."
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2011, 07:36:10 PM »
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Pienkos said his calculations, based on information in Joule's recent paper, indicate that though they eliminate biomass problems, their technology leaves relatively small amounts of fuel in relatively large amounts of water, producing a sort of "sheen." They may not be dealing with biomass, but the company is facing complicated "engineering issues" in order to recover large amounts of its fuel efficiently, he said.

"I think they're trading one set of problems for another," Pienkos said.

So they plan on skimmin' the "diesel" off the surface of the water. Hmmmmm, wonder how much energy that's gonna take?

Sounds more like one of AlGores schemes to me. I notice they continually talk about investors. Ya think maybe it's just another way to bilk investors into another pipe dream?

Naw, it couldn't be!
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 07:54:16 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on February 28, 2011, 04:17:11 PM
Hmmm I wonder if it is fresh water we're talking about here?  This could be a bigger boondoggle than Ethanol.  It takes huge amounts of fresh water to produce ethanol and that water becomes waste.

KC
It also requires more BTU's of energy to produce a said amount of ethanol than produced by burning said amount of ethanol. Where will THAT energy come from?
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 07:58:02 PM »
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It also requires more BTU's of energy to produce a said amount of ethanol than produced by burning said amount of ethanol. Where will THAT energy come from?

Unicorn farts, where else.
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 07:58:18 PM »
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Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2


By JAY LINDSAY, Associated Press Jay Lindsay, Associated Press – Sun Feb 27, 5:09 pm ET
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – A Massachusetts biotechnology company says it can produce the fuel that runs Jaguars and jet engines using the same ingredients that make grass grow.

Joule Unlimited has invented a genetically-engineered organism that it says simply secretes diesel fuel or ethanol wherever it finds sunlight, water and carbon dioxide.

Horseshit DUmmy!
Ever hear of "Economies of Scale"?

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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2011, 08:02:31 PM »
I love all this talk about "energy independence". What a joke. How long have we've been hearing that same old song and dance?
I wonder how long before this compnay is moved to China as well?
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 08:35:08 PM »
Quote from: PatriotGame on February 28, 2011, 07:54:16 PM
It also requires more BTU's of energy to produce a said amount of ethanol than produced by burning said amount of ethanol. Where will THAT energy come from?

BINGO! a little over 144% in making ethanol. IOW, 1.44 gallon of oil is used to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. Then of course there is the lower energy density of ethanol which is 80%.  IOW, if you get 10 MPG with gasoline, ethanol would give you 8 MPG. That means for each gallon of ethanol used, almost 2 gallons of oil are used.

Oh AND WE ARE BURNING FOOD for this inefficiency.

Only a liberal could believe the ethanol myth.
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2011, 09:07:43 PM »
Quote from: jukin on February 28, 2011, 08:35:08 PM
BINGO! a little over 144% in making ethanol. IOW, 1.44 gallon of oil is used to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. Then of course there is the lower energy density of ethanol which is 80%.  IOW, if you get 10 MPG with gasoline, ethanol would give you 8 MPG. That means for each gallon of ethanol used, almost 2 gallons of oil are used.

Oh AND WE ARE BURNING FOOD for this inefficiency.

Only a liberal could believe the ethanol myth.


They believed Dopey Changey 2 years ago.
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2011, 09:13:22 PM »
Quote from: true_blood on February 28, 2011, 08:02:31 PM
I love all this talk about "energy independence". What a joke. How long have we've been hearing that same old song and dance?
I wonder how long before this compnay is moved to China as well?

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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2011, 10:29:28 PM »
John Podesta is on the board of directors of this company who was a cabinet official in the Clinton admin. and has a pipeline to the WH. This will turn out to be another boondoggle sucking money out of taxpayers.
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2011, 10:46:49 PM »
Quote from: jukin on February 28, 2011, 08:35:08 PM

Only a liberal could believe the ethanol myth.


I don't, I guess I'm smarter then the average liberal.

And how much will this new diesel cost? How much more would it cost? Why would I want this when I could make biodiesel easily?
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2011, 11:48:11 PM »
Too bad that Libbies forget that God used plants and geology to deliver a vast store of Solar Energy to us.  It is called Coal.

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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2011, 11:49:33 PM »
Quote from: compaqxp on February 28, 2011, 10:46:49 PM
I don't, I guess I'm smarter then the average liberal.

And how much will this new diesel cost? How much more would it cost? Why would I want this when I could make biodiesel easily?

It is not a matter of smarts; it's a matter of liberals having a hatred of developing fossil fuels. None of this greenie crap will cost less than natural gas which we have an abundance of. Every diesel truck in the USA could be running on clean burning natural gas at a lower cost which would lower our dependence on oil. It is a shame so many liberals and Repubs have their heads so far up their ass that they can not see that our energy policy has been a disaster. They keep providing subsidy funding for pie in the sky boondoggles like Ethanol and other stupid stuff like the GM Volt.  
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2011, 09:29:59 AM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on February 28, 2011, 10:29:28 PM
John Podesta is on the board of directors of this company who was a cabinet official in the Clinton admin. and has a pipeline to the WH. This will turn out to be another boondoggle sucking money out of taxpayers.

Like the solar cell manufacturing plant in Fremont Kalifornia, I predict $700 million to $1.3 billion will be funneled to this hoax and then quietly shut down after a year.
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2011, 04:23:16 PM »
Quote from: jukin on March 01, 2011, 09:29:59 AM
Like the solar cell manufacturing plant in Fremont Kalifornia, I predict $700 million to $1.3 billion will be funneled to this hoax and then quietly shut down after a year.

3 solar companies have shut down in the last year (one in MA). The dumb asses in that state have cap and trade. Plus the windmills offshore are going to cost them big bucks in increased energy cost. The present rate of electricity is 15 cents per kw. Going up to 23 cents during the first phase and then to 33 cents upon competition. Greenies are hell bound on destroying the economy.
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2011, 04:36:28 PM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on March 01, 2011, 04:23:16 PM
Greenies are hell bound on destroying the economy.

Well, at least something they want seems to be working out as planned, then.
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Re: Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2
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