Great, now what?????

[vesta111]

What do you think of this shit.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41876956/ns/us_news-security/?GT1=43001

Note that the student was born in America and a citizen same as you or me.

[TexasCop]

We're only getting one side of the story and we'll never get the FBI's due to national security.  However, I'm willing to trust that the FBI has a damn good reason for tracking this kid and I'm thankful that they are being vigilant.

[Thor]

If his car was parked on a public road or in the driveway, then the FBI has every right to tag his vehicle.  Let's see,
Muslim American that makes several trips to the Middle East? Check

Ties to Islamic Radicals. Check

Good reason, IMO to track his ass all day long.

[NHSparky]

Vesta--it's not called profiling, it's called being MINIMALLY PERCEPTIVE.

When swarthy-looking Muslim men between the ages of 17 and 40 STOP being responsible for the vast majority of terrorist events, then they might have a point.  Until then, Achmed, Mohammed, and Dirka-Dirka better get used to the idea of dropping trou and having every cavity searched TWICE, because one of these days people are going to get tired of the PC-bullshit.

[vesta111]

Vesta--it's not called profiling, it's called being MINIMALLY PERCEPTIVE.

When swarthy-looking Muslim men between the ages of 17 and 40 STOP being responsible for the vast majority of terrorist events, then they might have a point.  Until then, Achmed, Mohammed, and Dirka-Dirka better get used to the idea of dropping trou and having every cavity searched TWICE, because one of these days people are going to get tired of the PC-bullshit.

What the hell is Swarthy looking Sparky????

 YOU work with a man that has a blue eyed blond all American Son that married an Indonesian woman and converted to Islam. This Son is a darn nice man, kind to all and last I heard a happy life.  He does have Muslim on his passport so should we worry about him???

He is in no way ever going to become a terrorist as he put in his time in the Army tank Corp.-----But now he is considered Muslim.

His father did a fine job raising him and should be very proud. He raised an honest and decent son who chose to marry a woman and had to convert on paper.

Profile all you want, many men that are from Northern Europe descendant marry Muslim woman and have to convert paper to the faith.

Give me a break Sparky, if the police put out a BOLO for a black male with braids , they will profile black males with braids.

Put out a Bolo on a Latino that is Catholic and now what.

What ever dark and swathey means I have known French, Italian and Asian that fit that picture.

This is the problem Sparky one cannot profile anyone for their faith.  One can guess about people but unless a Swed holds up a liquor store, the cops will not be looking for Jamaicans.

[IassaFTots]

hmmmmmmmm........

I have a very dear friend of mine who is a Catholic Indian, born in India to parents that worked for the British, Dad was with the India Army.  The parents scrimped and saved and were able to bring their kids to the US for school.  Military school for all of the boys.  College, and a stint in the military afterwards.  This guy bleeds red, white, and blue more than most who were born and raised here.

 He has a CCW, and he does carry, when he can.  He moved to Texas from Philly, and had to make several trips back and forth, via car and plane to finish up business.  He told me that he is very aware that people profile him, and immediately assume he is a Muslim.  He knows to be at the airport long before the flight takes off, and he knew not to make pit stops in certain areas during his drive from Philly to Dallas.  I told him I thought that was sad, that a veteran who served our country, would have to experience that.  He told me he didn't mind.  He said he appreciates the vigilance, misguided or no.   

[TexasCop]

vesta, we are engaged in a holy war.  That means that nationality means nada when it comes to rooting out the combatants. 

[vesta111]

vesta, we are engaged in a holy war.  That means that nationality means nada when it comes to rooting out the combatants. 

I would guess that the Holy War went out in the 1500's. but now it has come back 500 years +

So strange to think that in out age of reaching the moon our technology that we would be fighting a war with people that still live in the 600's --are we really fighting with out technology people that still fight with sticks and stones???

Not easy to understand how people with nothing but faith and little education can march into Europe and take over.   Very hard to believe the Europeans allowed them to subvert their culture .

America, now this may be a problem as our laws are open to anyone.    The illegals use them as do the enemy's.   

Why can we not tell the world that the laws of America are for American citizens---all others have a choice go home or face the laws of their own nation.

We have never had a Holy war on our Continent, how do we respond this?  Are we in the position of the Incas when the Spanish sails arose over the horizon?    Do we listen to our government and high priests that tell us all is well to benefit us?

Intresting how history repeats itself.

Fact is we allow this to happen under good intentions that are paving the road to hell.

[delilahmused]

I would guess that the Holy War went out in the 1500's. but now it has come back 500 years +

So strange to think that in out age of reaching the moon our technology that we would be fighting a war with people that still live in the 600's --are we really fighting with out technology people that still fight with sticks and stones???

I know I'm going to regret this. Vesta, these people are in a Holy War, therefore we are in a Holy War. I don't give a flying rats ass how we kill people who want to kill us. Had they decided to evolve with the rest of the human race maybe they'd have more sophisticated weapons or be civilized enough to not think everyone different than them is the "great Satan".

Not easy to understand how people with nothing but faith and little education can march into Europe and take over.   Very hard to believe the Europeans allowed them to subvert their culture .

Well the fact is they have and we need to prevent it from happening here.

America, now this may be a problem as our laws are open to anyone.    The illegals use them as do the enemy's.  

Why can we not tell the world that the laws of America are for American citizens---all others have a choice go home or face the laws of their own nation.

Well, you sorta answered the question you posed right here! They do take advantage of our generosity, thus we must be vigilant. If that ruffles some feathers so be it.

We have never had a Holy war on our Continent, how do we respond this?  Are we in the position of the Incas when the Spanish sails arose over the horizon?    Do we listen to our government and high priests that tell us all is well to benefit us?

I'm genuinely trying to bounce my brain around as much as yours but I haven't even had my meds yet and it's pretty hard. We respond to this Holy War by being suspicious of people who fit the profile and vigilant about suspicious activity. We've had plenty of citizens (see Ft. Hood) whose goal in life seems to be to kill the infidel. And it's not like people can't get a fake ID that says they're a citizen when they're not. Safety trumps political correctness or someone getting their panties in a wad because they're offended that they've done something suspicious to bring attention to themselves.

Intresting how history repeats itself.

Fact is we allow this to happen under good intentions that are paving the road to hell.

History repeats itself but our response doesn't have to be the same. That's kinda the point of learning from history.

Cindie

[TexasCop]

Vesta, these people are in a Holy War, therefore we are in a Holy War.

Exactly.  We didn't start this holy war, nor did we call it a holy war.  They made it one the second they declared a Jihad, which means HOLY WAR.

[vesta111]

I know I'm going to regret this. Vesta, these people are in a Holy War, therefore we are in a Holy War. I don't give a flying rats ass how we kill people who want to kill us. Had they decided to evolve with the rest of the human race maybe they'd have more sophisticated weapons or be civilized enough to not think everyone different than them is the "great Satan".

Well the fact is they have and we need to prevent it from happening here.

Well, you sorta answered the question you posed right here! They do take advantage of our generosity, thus we must be vigilant. If that ruffles some feathers so be it.

I'm genuinely trying to bounce my brain around as much as yours but I haven't even had my meds yet and it's pretty hard. We respond to this Holy War by being suspicious of people who fit the profile and vigilant about suspicious activity. We've had plenty of citizens (see Ft. Hood) whose goal in life seems to be to kill the infidel. And it's not like people can't get a fake ID that says they're a citizen when they're not. Safety trumps political correctness or someone getting their panties in a wad because they're offended that they've done something suspicious to bring attention to themselves.

History repeats itself but our response doesn't have to be the same. That's kinda the point of learning from history.

Cindie

Delila, most excellent answer to my post---Thank You.