Feds Attempt to Force Oklahoma Bank to Remove Crosses, Bible Verses; Bank Fights

[thundley4]

Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 08:53 AM
Original message
Feds Attempt to Force Oklahoma Bank to Remove Crosses, Bible Verses; Bank Fights Back and Wins
   
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 09:24 AM by Dont_Bogart_the_Pret
Feds Attempt to Force Oklahoma Bank to Remove Crosses, Bible Verses; Bank Fights Back and Wins

The theory behind this whole shebang is that banks are so pervasively regulated, the federal government can basically tell them what to do even though they're privately-owned businesses. Keep this story in mind when you hear that Obama's DHHS is issuing tighter regulations for hospitals...

Federal Reserve examiners come every four years to make sure banks are complying with a long list of regulations. The examiners came to Perkins last week. And the team from Kansas City deemed a Bible verse of the day, crosses on the teller’s counter and buttons that say "Merry Christmas, God With Us." were inappropriate. The Bible verse of the day on the bank's Internet site also had to be taken down.


My take is this... How can the Federal Reserve attack a bank in this manner when ALL it's money had "In god we trust" on it?


Sorry forgot lonk: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/309503.php

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x32837

ladjf (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 08:56 AM
Response to Original message
1. While the super rich is busy stealing people's wealth, the super
   
religious are passionately attempting to force their superstitious practices upon us. nt

diveguy (55 posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. How are they forcing anything on you.
   
It is a private business. If you dont like it, go somewhere else.

ladjf (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. or, I can stay where I am and continue to voice my opinion that
   
I don't think religious cults should be allowed to proselytize in public places. If they want to look at visual symbols of their practices, they have every right to do so in their churches.

The bank may be privately owned but the business is public. Why would the bank owner chose to display religious items at his place of business? Because he calculated that since a majority of his customers were church goers, he would be improving his/her chances for more profit.

I grew up in the South where I used to see car tags saying "Dixie, love it or get your ass out" which really meant that if you didn't like the racist aspects of Southern living you should leave.
Your argument is exactly the same as that.

The banker wasn't too worried because only a minority objected to his actions. Had his business been located in an area where Christianity was the minority would he have still put up his symbols?

I think anti-war protesters should have to remain in their parents basements, away from decent people.

The Straight Story   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. Only difference between a religious cult and the cult of a political party is
   
the symbols they use.

ladjf (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. Your post prompted me to look up the definition of "cult". I could
   
find nothing to contradict your thesis. There seems to be a definite similarity between "cult" as in "religious cult" and "cult" as a sociological group.

In any event, I used the word "cult" to imply a blind devotion to some certain underlying beliefs of the group.

The Cult of Teh Won is shrinking daily.

Kalyke   (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. And then you'd be told that the First Amendment absolutely
   
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 09:37 AM by Kalyke
gives people the right to proselytize in public places and asked to leave the PRIVATELY-OWNED business or be arrested.

I also grew up (and still live) in the South and the tag you saw has nothing to do with racism. It's about "damn Yankees" coming down to the South to take advantage of our lower tax rates and then bossing the residents around when they don't want to do what the newcomer thinks they should. Sometimes the newcomer is correct, of course, but they get the title "damn Yankee" because of the brash way they try to force compliance.

Methinks you have real problems when your worldview is challenged (like many religious fundamentalists, ironically). If you didn't, you wouldn't give a shit what people speak about on public property or private property open to the public.

ladjf (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. Re: "car tag": I gave my interpretation of what I thought the tag
   
was saying. You have given yours. You say that my version was wrong. The only way you could have known what the author of the tag had in mind was for you to either have been the author or personally talked with him/her.

Re my "real problems with worldview: If I only cared about myself, I would not ,as you so eloquently stated, "given a shit what people speak on public property". However, as a civic minded person who loves the human race and cares what happens to it, I feel that I am obligated from a social standpoint, to voice my opinion about public issues that seem to be harmful to the population in general.

Since you are objecting to my opinion, perhaps it is you that has "real problems when your worldview is challenged" otherwise why do you care that I didn't approve of the images in the bank?

You only want your opinion heard while silencing dissenting opinion.

left is right   (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 11:16 AM
Response to Original message
15. I personally would not do business with someone
   
that insisted on displaying their religion in such a flaunting manner. I always figure that such displays are always a cover for all manner of criminal activity. My dad owned a small family business for over thirty years before he retired and always said that it was the leaders of the numerous churches in his town that failed to pay him for the work that he provided.

Bouncy.

[Odin's Hand]

The locals of Perkins, OK, still U.S. citizens and the consently governed no matter how much you f*ckups at DU wish to revoke that, voiced their irritation at the Gubmint and prevailed. It's a double Christmas gift with the victory of those in Perkins and you ACLU-assl*cks at DU going apesh*t over it.

[Tucker]

Initial article:

Feds Force Okla. Bank To Remove Crosses, Bible Verse

http://www.koco.com/r/26162860/detail.html

Follow up:

Lawmakers Call Out Bernanke After Feds Force Bank To Remove Crosses

http://www.koco.com/news/26174849/detail.html

Resolution:

After Outcry, Feds Back Down; Banks Can Display Crosses

http://www.koco.com/news/26174152/detail.html

Good guys won one.

[Carl]

I hope our latest troll "nogod" who insists that he respects all opinions but insists conservative Christians want to force a theocracy on us can explain why you have actual evidence of a leftist government trying to destroy religion contrary to the Constitution.

[ChuckJ]

I'd like to take a minute and thank ladjf for giving us such a great example of the liberal mind.

Let's look at what she said:

I grew up in the South where I used to see car tags saying "Dixie, love it or get your ass out" which really meant that if you didn't like the racist aspects of Southern living you should leave.

Kalyke than offers a differing opinion of what the car tag meant. So what is ladjf's response?

The only way you could have known what the author of the tag had in mind was for you to either have been the author or personally talked with him/her.

Does this mean that ladjf authored the car tags? Or she at least personally talked with the author? In her post she does indeed say that she knows what the tags really mean.

[Rebel]

I'd like to take a minute and thank ladjf for giving us such a great example of the liberal mind.

Let's look at what she said:

Kalyke than offers a differing opinion of what the car tag meant. So what is ladjf's response?

Does this mean that ladjf authored the car tags? Or she at least personally talked with the author? In her post she does indeed say that she knows what the tags really mean.

Kalyke is EXACTLY right and the topic below is exactly what she/he is referring to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=161&topic_id=950&mesg_id=950

mudplanet (693 posts)  Wed Dec-02-09 11:47 AM

7. MS is full of stupid, ugly rednecks (forgive the redundancy) but
   
there are a lot of good people there, too. It's a great place to live if you can make a decent living, and you're apparently bringing yours with you. Hundreds of miles of lush, subtropical forest and rolling hills. You'll be within a days drive of Florida beaches and the Smokey Mtns. Lots of good reasons to choose MS for retirement. Definitely make plans to drive the entire Natchez Trace Parkway some time - two hundred miles with only one stop sign and one gas station.

Get ready for the flowers to bloom in early March, but for it to get too hot for flowers by June. If you're a deer hunter you'll be in paradise. If not, you'll just have to live with it.

One of the best things about MS is that it ISN'T developed. The three biggest cities in Mississippi are Memphis, Mobile, and New Orleans.

...and for the record, "Mudplanet", Mississippi REDSHIRTS Miss America's, dickhead.

[Vagabond]

ladjf is just another typical yankee bigot.  Nothing at all special about him as yankee bigots of his particular stripe are a nickel a dozen.

I come from Florida, and those of that live out in the state have no use for the yankees that live on the coasts.  We typically have no use for them.

[Carl]

ladjf is just another typical yankee bigot.  Nothing at all special about him as yankee bigots of his particular stripe are a nickel a dozen.

I come from Florida, and those of that live out in the state have no use for the yankees that live on the coasts.  We typically have no use for them.

Trust me as a person from upstate NY many of us have the same contempt for those that arrive here from NYC and surrounding suburbs in CT and NJ.
The reputation earned by that ilk is well deserved and accurate,not fair to paint all with a broad brush of course but most are very typically self centered,impatient,obtuse and vile.

I have always thought of myself as a southerner born in the wrong place and dream of the day I can escape here.

[ColonialMarine0431]

End of debate.   

[jukin]

This is what the First Amendment was written specifically for.  The over-reach of government.  In this case the forcing of Statism as a government forced religion. See also, Global Warming, Homo agenda, and liberalism in general.

[thundley4]

ladjf is just another typical yankee bigot.  Nothing at all special about him as yankee bigots of his particular stripe are a nickel a dozen.

I come from Florida, and those of that live out in the state have no use for the yankees that live on the coasts.  We typically have no use for them.

When I was stationed in Orlando, I was told by a native Floridian than only the transplants have southern accents, and that most people born in Florida don't have one. Is that true?

[true_blood]

ladjf (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 08:56 AM
Response to Original message
1. While the super rich is busy stealing people's wealth, the super religious are passionately attempting to force their superstitious practices upon us. nt

Really, you scrunt? So, it's "ok" for the Feds to do something like this?
Go back to your bong.

[MrsSmith]

I hope our latest troll "nogod" who insists that he respects all opinions but insists conservative Christians want to force a theocracy on us can explain why you have actual evidence of a leftist government trying to destroy religion contrary to the Constitution.

The only 'ocracy being forced on this country is from the left.  I don't know if it's a secular humanist'ocracy or an atheist'ocracy, but they are clearly using the courts to force their beliefs on religion, environmentalism, abortion, education and a multitude of other 'isms onto this entire country.  Their "theocracy" lies can't even start to cover up what they are actually doing.