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Offline Tess Anderson

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"So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« on: November 10, 2010, 04:06:16 PM »
County Worker tried to tell her so!!!  :whatever:

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county worker  (1000+ posts)      Wed Nov-10-10 04:03 PM
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So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law
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OH NO! she says, they are going to cut my social security and medicare and get rid of the mortgage interest deduction!

She lives on social security, uses Medicare and has a big interest payment on her house.

I tried to talk to her and to everyone I could back when we fist heard about this shit last summer. I wanted them to go to the web site and sign a petition asking that Obama and Congress not listen to the cat food commission. All I got for my speech-a-fying was shut the **** up, I'm watching dancing with the stars or some other "reality" show.

So now she is warning me! I told her today, it's too ****ing late now.

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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 04:13:22 PM »
So now they're for Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy? :confused:

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All I got for my speech-a-fying was shut the **** up
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 04:13:41 PM »
Quote from: Tess Anderson on November 10, 2010, 04:06:16 PM
County Worker tried to tell her so!!!  :whatever:

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So . . .
 


There has been a continuous undercurrent of grumbling about the dread cat food commission at the dump for some time now.  

What I find interesting is anyone on social security who has a large interest deduction.  I could believe living on social security and having a reverse mortgage but still paying a loan on Social?  Color me doubtful.  
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 04:22:06 PM »
what i don't even

Cat food commission?
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 04:24:37 PM »
BOUNCY!

1. So...
2. democrat talking points from 1960.
3. Relies on SS and medicare but has a huge mortgage payment at retirement age.
4. Stupid republican for not listening to DUchebag.
5. Put down on a show with a Palin in it.

I give this one a 6.5 for brevity and hitting so many bouncy points.
 
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2010, 04:29:37 PM »
Quote from: zeitgeist on November 10, 2010, 04:13:41 PM
There has been a continuous undercurrent of grumbling about the dread cat food commission at the dump for some time now.  

What I find interesting is anyone on social security who has a large interest deduction.  I could believe living on social security and having a reverse mortgage but still paying a loan on Social?  Color me doubtful.  

Doesn't the interest owed on a loan decrease near the end of the loan so that most of the payment is going to principle?
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2010, 04:36:26 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on November 10, 2010, 04:29:37 PM
Doesn't the interest owed on a loan decrease near the end of the loan so that most of the payment is going to principle?

Well it did when I was a kid but now a days who the heck knows.  I haven't had a mortgage in many years.  And I don't miss the deduction either.
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 05:27:53 PM »
Quote from: ExGeeEye on November 10, 2010, 04:22:06 PM
what i don't even

Cat food commission?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8755843


here is a dump link talking about the term "cat food commission" 



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6Forever  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jul-15-10 06:30 PM
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Poll question: How do you feel about the term "Cat Food Commission" being used for the Deficit Commission ? 
 If you don't know what it refers to here is an article that explains it:

Deficit Commission Co-Chair: Social Security T-Bills Have "Been Used"

June 18, 2010
-- by Dave Johnson

http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2010/06/deficit...

......The Commission: Now there is the Deficit Commission looking into how to raise money to cover what the government handed out as tax cuts to the rich. Rather than get the money from where the money went, the plutocrats are instead trying to convince people that it would make more sense to just cut Social Security instead, so they don't have to pay it back. The commission is meeting in secret, preparing to recommend cutting Social Security benefits. Hence the nickname for the Commission: "Cat food Commission," because cutting Social Security would force as many as 1.5 million old people into poverty and eating cat food for dinner because it costs less.

(more at link)
 






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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 05:30:51 PM »
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As if "tax Cuts" are spending and Soshinsecurity is debt.

Bloody hell.
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 06:51:28 PM »
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TBF  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)     Wed Nov-10-10 04:06 PM
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3. Agree on that - I may even send a few of my own emails. Obama has just lost any shred of respect I still had for the guy (granted that was hanging by a thread after the first 2 years).
It took you 2 years to figure out that this imposter is ruining America?!  :loser: :mental:
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 03:20:32 PM »
More NonSense from ProSense on the "cat food" commission ala Bernie Sanders, Socialist Vermont and all around good guy by dumpland standards.  At one point in time I thought Prosense might be a covert democrat operative, now I am not so sure.

Here for your edification and enjoyment is more NonSense

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9530333

I will skip the diatribe in the OP by Bernie and cut right to the chase,  a freeper comment


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MN TN (45 posts)     Thu Nov-11-10 08:43 AM
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30. Here is an even more dangerous assault on SS that few seem to see 
 Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 08:44 AM by MN TN
Bye Huffinton Post's Ryan Grim:
"The most direct assault on Social Security, however, may not be the increase of the retirement age, but rather an attempt to tilt the program toward a welfare model and away from the current, universal insurance model that has made it popular and enduring despite 75 years of attacks. The co-chairs propose to "increase progressivity of benefit formula by creating a new bendpoint at the 50th percentile." Such a move would require means testing. In other words, the government would determine benefits based on a beneficiary's assets and other sources of income. Currently, beneficiaries are paid benefits based on their contribution over their working life. Replacing the social insurance model with a welfare model would erode support, encourage fraud and ultimately undermine the program."
SS would be viewed more as for welfare recipients than based upon one's contributions so the result would be to make it less popular.



Oh that Bernie.

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LiberalArkie  (862 posts)      Wed Nov-10-10 05:25 PM
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3. Why is it that Bernie always knows what is going on and the restr are clueless
 

Anyone??

Oh , a volunteer from the audience has arrived

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dkofos (1000+ posts)      Wed Nov-10-10 05:37 PM
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10. I wish there were 49 more Bernie's in the Senate.
 

And what would that accomplish??

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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 03:32:39 PM »
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I told her today, it's too ****ing late now.

CountyWorker, do you know how a bill becomes a law?  Go find the Schoolhouse Rock video. 
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 03:46:36 PM »
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Replacing the social insurance model with a welfare model would erode support, encourage fraud and ultimately undermine the program.

This is something the DUmmies have called for. Raise the amounts that the wealthy pay into SS, but set a limit on how much they can get out of it. I wonder how many union members would fail to meet the "means testing" for SS?  Some of them, especially government unions have pretty cushy pension plans.
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 03:52:16 PM »
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because cutting Social Security would force as many as 1.5 million old people into poverty and eating cat food for dinner because it costs less.

Ahhh....these idiot supremes don't go shopping as much as they claim. Haven't they seen the price of cat food lately? I can buy two cans of chili for the price of one tin of Fancy Feast. Damn cat eats steak compared to me!
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2010, 05:02:42 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on November 11, 2010, 03:46:36 PM
This is something the DUmmies have called for. Raise the amounts that the wealthy pay into SS, but set a limit on how much they can get out of it. I wonder how many union members would fail to meet the "means testing" for SS?  Some of them, especially government unions have pretty cushy pension plans.

And here is the rub, government workers ( state and local ) are going to be in for the proverbial 'rude awakening' when they find out they cannot collect their social security because of pension off-set provisions.  Federal employees use to belong to Civil Service Retirement Systems and did not pay into Social Security.  This was changed in the eighties to a Federal Employees Retirement System which combined social security and an agency supplement to create a defined benefit plan.  But I digress, the point being, the state and local workers who will receive state pensions will have their social security 'means tested'.  Any money paid to social security will be water under the bridge.  If you moonlight or have a second career don't plan on those quarters getting you a bofo social security check read the article below, kiss it bye bye. 


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A Public Pension and Full Social Security Benefits? No Way

Perhaps you had two careers. In one job, you were a government employee whose earnings were exempt from the Social Security payroll tax. You also worked in the private sector, paying into the Social Security system. When you retire, you'll get your public pension, but don't count on getting your full Social Security benefit.


Under federal law, any Social Security benefits you earned will be reduced if you were a federal, state or local government employee who earned a pension on wages that were not covered by Social Security. Reductions also apply to Social Security spousal or survivor benefits that are claimed by government pensioners.

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Read more: http://www.kiplinger.com/features/archives/krr-public-pension-and-full-social-security-benefits-no-way.html#ixzz1518S07EX

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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2010, 05:21:25 PM »
Quote from: zeitgeist on November 11, 2010, 05:02:42 PM
And here is the rub, government workers ( state and local ) are going to be in for the proverbial 'rude awakening' when they find out they cannot collect their social security because of pension off-set provisions.  Federal employees use to belong to Civil Service Retirement Systems and did not pay into Social Security.  This was changed in the eighties to a Federal Employees Retirement System which combined social security and an agency supplement to create a defined benefit plan.  But I digress, the point being, the state and local workers who will receive state pensions will have their social security 'means tested'.  Any money paid to social security will be water under the bridge.  If you moonlight or have a second career don't plan on those quarters getting you a bofo social security check read the article below, kiss it bye bye. 



That was interesting, since I didn't know about it.  At what point will they try doing that with private pensions and people trying to collect SS?
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2010, 06:34:00 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on November 11, 2010, 05:21:25 PM
That was interesting, since I didn't know about it.  At what point will they try doing that with private pensions and people trying to collect SS?

While you are thinking about that, consider this:  At what point will the burden on the public pensions (state and local) become so onerous that they begin to go to the Federal model?  This is a real conundrum, teachers, firefighters, cops, sanitation workers, and, other burecrats, at some point, their pensions may come under the same guidlines as the Federal system.  Would this help or hurt Social Security?  The states are in dire strates with their pension plans so it is a show down soon to come.   

BTW, Do you ever wonder how many billionares even pay FICA, and if so why?
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . ."
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2010, 06:53:39 AM »
Quote from: GOP Congress on November 11, 2010, 03:52:16 PM
Ahhh....these idiot supremes don't go shopping as much as they claim. Haven't they seen the price of cat food lately? I can buy two cans of chili for the price of one tin of Fancy Feast. Damn cat eats steak compared to me!

Yesterday, I noticed that Friskies has an "Indoor Cat" line of wet cat food out--that's twice the price of the other line of wet cat food that Friskies has!  Must be a "DUmor only" line. 
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Re: "So I get an email about the cat food commission from my mother-in-law . . .
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2010, 08:31:07 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on November 11, 2010, 05:21:25 PM
That was interesting, since I didn't know about it.  At what point will they try doing that with private pensions and people trying to collect SS?
Some States' pensioners are not at all eligible for SS and never paid into it[1].  If I'm not mistaken, I'm also ineligible for medicare also - I'll have to figure that out soon.  ISTR that railroad pensions work that way also, but memory is hazy in that area.

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