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The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« on: November 09, 2010, 12:41:34 PM »
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Hannah Bell   (1000+ posts)             Mon Nov-08-10 05:47 PM
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German parliament approves billions in welfare cuts   
   
Edited on Mon Nov-08-10 05:48 PM by Hannah Bell
At the end of last month, Germany’s ruling conservative coalition passed legislation to impose drastic social cuts on millions of poor families and the unemployed. Handouts, however, are to continue for big business and the rich.

On October 28, the combined votes of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), the Christian Social Union (CSU) and the Free Democratic Party (FDP) resulted in parliament adopting much of the government’s €80 billion package of austerity measures. The so-called Ancillary Budget Law enables the government to save some €20 billion—mainly at the expense of recipients of Hartz IV unemployment benefits—by the end of 2014...

The scrapping of employers’ pension contributions for Hartz IV recipients was approved by parliament without amendment last Thursday. The result will be a further increase in poverty for the elderly. The supplementary payments given when an unemployed person moves from unemployment benefit to welfare will also be abolished. Moreover, job creation and support programmes and social integration assistance will be considerably reduced...

The government saw no reason to address the issue of the proposed welfare cuts, which they say are indisputable. Instead, the government spent its time resolving further fiscal changes in the interests of big business. Energy-intensive industries will no longer lose their “eco-tax” benefits, as was previously planned, and reductions in tax exemption will be applied less vigorously. The government estimates the value of these tax breaks at around €550 million...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9515210

Sorry DUmmies as more people tire of paying for your kind to sit on your collective, non-productive asses, this will become the norm.  Obama is going backwards, and isn't learning from the failures of others. I guess he must not be too smart.

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marmar   (1000+ posts)             Mon Nov-08-10 05:50 PM
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2. C'est vrai.   
   
Edited on Mon Nov-08-10 05:50 PM by marmar
People around the world are going to have to reclaim what's theirs.

You couldn't be more right, but not in the way you think.

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Angry Dragon   (1000+ posts)             Mon Nov-08-10 06:07 PM
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4. The thing of it is
   
If one country starts to get angry
it makes it easier for others

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marmar   (1000+ posts)             Mon Nov-08-10 07:18 PM
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13. True....So again I say, "Thank you France."   
   
nt

And what did the protests in France, or Greece, for that matter, accomplish?

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alanquatermass (117 posts)           Mon Nov-08-10 06:45 PM
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5. Jesus. It's happening all over, isn't it (in the UK as well...)
   
What's going on here? Does it signify resurgent conservatism (and possibly incipient fascism) or merely a sensible reaction to an economy in trouble?

In other words, Is there a way of avoiding these cuts WITHOUT sinking the German economy (along the lines of what happened in Greece, where cumulative entitlements ended up DROWNING the Gov't in red ink)?

Just curious.

No, the free ride is over.

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Hannah Bell   (1000+ posts)             Mon Nov-08-10 06:46 PM
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6. the international ruling class lost money on their phoney investments & are trying   
   
to recoup it on the backs of their workers.

This imaginary international ruling class is not the cause of this. It is the working people getting tired of supporting the non-working moochers.

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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 01:20:35 PM »
Well it has been 20 years now. The former east German communist will have to get a job now.
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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2010, 01:24:12 PM »
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Hannah Bell   (1000+ posts)             Mon Nov-08-10 06:46 PM
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6. the international ruling class lost money on their phoney investments & are trying   
   
to recoup it on the backs of their workers.

Is she blaming the Jooooos?

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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2010, 02:01:50 PM »
Is she blaming the Jooooos?

Didn't you know? It's always the Joooos....and Bush is one of 'em.
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."  Stalin

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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2010, 05:07:15 PM »
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Hannah Bell   (1000+ posts)             Mon Nov-08-10 06:46 PM
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6. the international ruling class lost money on their phoney investments & are trying to recoup it on the backs of their workers.
Huh?! :hammer:

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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2010, 05:33:30 PM »
Didn't you know? It's always the Joooos....and Bush is one of 'em.
Then there was the thread over there talking about Rosenfeld and the '36 election.  Talk about Gaydar over there it is all about Joodar. 
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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2010, 06:07:00 PM »
No welfare?!!!11!1 This means European muslims will have to either get a job or go home!
This means no more talking jihad all day. No more burning cars.
What other occupational skills do the muslims have?

Muslims might even have to--gasp--learn the local languages!

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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2010, 08:34:22 PM »
Of course Bush did it.

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Rex (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-08-10 09:48 PM
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31. More modern govts are ramping up control over their subjects er
   
citizens. Bush/Cheney gave the green light to the world - **** the poor, pamper the rich. Control the message, keep the spoils. Pitchforks and torches are no longer in the equation (not modern), so they know it is a golden ticket.


Although they are just following time honored traditions from centuries of the rich keeping their boot on the poors head. Monarchies are so in fashion dontcha know! Monarchies and closed system governments like CHINA!

If ANYONE has come out of these global economic wars better than China, then I don't know which country it would be.

Hell at least they still have socialized medicine!

Could be worse, you could live in The States.


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46. So much for the hybrids, huh?
   

Lotta folks around here like to point to these European countries as examples of how capitalism and socialism can be combined to produce an equitable system. We can see here, and elsewhere in Europe, that Capitalism, like rust, never sleeps. It is the nature, the mandate of Capitalism which requires it to seek maximum return. The niceties of these 'mixed economies' cannot stand before the determined hunt for profit. It is only in the street that redress can be found.

Capitalism and socialism are deadly enemies, only one an survive the struggle, we better make sure it is socialism.

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48. only one can survive the struggle, we better make sure it is socialism
   
or none of us will survive the damage wrought...capitalism is a deadly virus...
   

Exactly right.  Just look at all those socialist success stories.  There's....uh, umm... Let's go smoke another bowl!
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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 09:12:04 AM »
Despite all the flaws of 'The Social State' as it exists in Germany, the Germans at least seem to have a better grasp on economic reality than any of their neighbors.
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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 10:24:18 AM »
Talk about Gaydar over there it is all about Joodar.

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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 01:58:09 PM »
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marmar   (1000+ posts)             Mon Nov-08-10 05:50 PM
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2. C'est vrai.   
   
Edited on Mon Nov-08-10 05:50 PM by marmar
People around the world are going to have to reclaim what's theirs.

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Re: The coming European socialist collapse - it frightens DUmmies
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2010, 10:50:49 PM »
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What's going on here? Does it signify resurgent conservatism (and possibly incipient fascism) or merely a sensible reaction to an economy in trouble?

What is signifies, anonymous DUmmie, is that liberal/commun/progressiv/Marx -ism is an illusion.  Not even a very good illusion at that.  Only the dumbest people can go into their 30s believing in it.

When reality catches up with DUmmies around the world, what is happening in Europe today is what happens.  Countries go broke and the people who still cling to illusion, usually the young and inexperienced, throw a tantrum.
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