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How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« on: November 06, 2010, 06:02:42 PM »
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How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
   
McConnell and the repugs don't want to extend unemployment benefits unless it's paid for, but will give away trillions in tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires that AREN'T PAID FOR!

If Dems can't win THIS mother****ing debate, they really are worthless pieces of shit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9501257

Uhh DUmmy there are no tax cuts on the table. We are just fighting a tax increase.
The rich are American citizens just as much as your worthless ass is. They deserve the same protections the rest of us one of them being not having the piss taxed out of them.

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13. Erm...you don't think that removing Olbermann was a sign that they are going
   
to try to silence criticism?

Tell you what DUmmy find me one freeper who was trying to shut up Olgerman just one.
Meanwhile at DU thread after thread about shutting up rush, Hannity, Beck, etc.

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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2010, 06:26:49 PM »
These DUmmies and most liberals don't get it.

Tax cuts, or in this case extensions, are not spending. Giving money to people that aren't working, by taking it from those that are working is spending.
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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2010, 06:47:33 PM »
How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? ...lay framing material flat and cut corners at a 45 degree angle. If you want to raise the framing material a little to give the impression of some depth,....well that takes a little skill with mathematics and some geometry which is to much for your simple DUmmie minds.
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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2010, 06:56:01 PM »
It is very hard to frame the debate when your side is hopelessly wrong and your opponent has free speech.
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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2010, 08:48:15 PM »
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How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
   
McConnell and the repugs don't want to extend unemployment benefits unless it's paid for, but will give away trillions in tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires that AREN'T PAID FOR!

Wha...??  How does a gov't "give away" money, that individuals earned, back to them in the form of tax cuts?  Unless in some perverted way you view it as having never been theirs to begin with.

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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2010, 08:53:46 PM »
Quote from: Carl on November 06, 2010, 06:56:01 PM
It is very hard to frame the debate when your side is hopelessly wrong and your opponent has free speech.

Touche'

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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 08:53:55 PM »
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Wha...??  How does a gov't "give away" money, that individuals earned, back to them in the form of tax cuts?  Unless in some perverted way you view it as having never been theirs to begin with.

Well, the actual left, being anti-capitalist by definition, does indeed view it in that "perverted" way. Problem is, liberals don't, so it's no wonder they are struggling with this, just like they are struggling with everything else and entrenching themselves as ineffectual. They are the people of the perennial "having the cake and eating it too" fallacy. They want to continue to bitch about the realities of capitalism incessantly, but do not actually oppose it. Opposing it would mean sacrificing their cushy comforts, and that ain't gonna happen.
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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 09:06:46 PM »
The "actual left," or at least the way the left once was, are not anti-capitalists.  They wanted more gov't intervention than I do, but they weren't against capitalism.  I'm not sure the primitives know what they are except whatever their party leaders tell them to be for and against at the moment.

The anti-capitalist are what I would call the "kooky left," and quite frankly I'm not interested in even passively discussing topics with them; even just for funsies.  There was a time when it was amusing to me, but Indymedia, et al., got old after a while.

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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 09:23:38 PM »
Quote from: Carl on November 06, 2010, 06:56:01 PM
It is very hard to frame the debate when your side is hopelessly wrong and your opponent has free speech.

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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2010, 10:43:59 AM »
Quote from: Carl on November 06, 2010, 06:56:01 PM
It is very hard to frame the debate when your side is hopelessly wrong and your opponent has free speech.
Quote from: terry on November 06, 2010, 09:23:38 PM
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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2010, 10:49:43 AM »
CNN is running essentially the same argument. 

"How can people who claim to care about deficit spending run up trillions in debt by giving tax cuts to the rich?"

Because it's not your money at all.  It belongs to the government.  We're just letting you hold on to it for awhile until we find new ways to take it from you.
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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2010, 12:42:35 PM »
I don't think you understand what "Paid For" means.
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Re: How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2010, 03:52:31 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on November 06, 2010, 06:26:49 PM
These DUmmies and most liberals don't get it.
Tax cuts, or in this case extensions, are not spending. Giving money to people that aren't working, by taking it from those that are working is spending.
They will NEVER understand this. They are financially DUmb.
How tax cuts equates to spending, I'll never know.
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