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Quite honestly, I am confused.
« on: November 02, 2010, 09:27:22 PM »
Maybe some of y'all could see that. I am not sure. But I am confused at where I stand politically.

I guess Independent would describe me best. Of all nights, election night, I've finally admitted to myself that I am unsure of where I stand, and I HATE THAT. I can't say that I am hardcore democrat. I am certainly not hardcore republican. I can see both sides on many issues. I hate being so indecisive. I hate not being 100% either way. I hate being in the middle. But here I am. Being at DU  for a while, and now reflecting on that made me realize I don't agree with a good bit of what is said and posted there. But I do agree with some it. I agree with some things here. Again not 100%. As much as I loathe abortion personally, I can never say it should be outlawed. I want gay people to have the same rights as I do. On that same note, I can't stand to see our soldiers be looked down on because of a war some don't agree with. I am iffy about the whole healthcare thing. My heart wants everyone to be able to get medical care no matter the cost. My brain tells me it may not be in our countries best interest. I am not sure what I think of richer people paying more taxes. Is is fair? No it isn't, but can it be beneficial? I hate seeing any group of any religion all lumped together. Muslims? They aren't all Osama. Many are evil. Many are so backwards it kills me. BUT I know some very kind peaceful Muslims, and my heart hurts for them for what some assholes have done to their religion. I, as a Christian, would hate to be compared to Fred Phelps or whoever the hell else is out there that is so effing backwards. And no he didn't blow up buildings and kill thousands, but what he does is almost as disgusting. Where does my heart and brain meet up? Somewhere down the damned middle. UGH!

Tonight while voting, I really thought of this. REally, I've been thinking about this for a while. I am one of those swing ****ing voters, and I hate it. I am not asking you to encourage me to be republican. I am merely venting and having some self relflection. I guess as I get older, my opinions may change and vary. I just don't know WTF is up with me right now.

Since I haven't posted much politically, I thought I'd put my thoughts down. So there you have it. I am ****ing confused. Sorry about my language. I am typing what I think as I think it.
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2010, 09:42:24 PM »
Silly swing ****ing voter!   ;D

Alot of the people on this board wouldn't call themselves Republican.  All of us would call ourselves Conservative.  It isn't just a different word.  It's all good. 

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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2010, 09:49:10 PM »
Hang in there soliel!  None of us agree 100% with any platform.  You look at who represents you best .... not those with which you can agree totally.

Hell, we all agree on some points some of the time. 

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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2010, 09:52:48 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on November 02, 2010, 09:49:10 PM
Hang in there soliel!  None of us agree 100% with any platform.  You look at who represents you best .... not those with which you can agree totally.

Hell, we all agree on some points some of the time. 

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Except for beans in chili.   :o
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2010, 09:57:31 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on November 02, 2010, 09:52:48 PM
Except for beans in chili.   :o

LOL!  Well, WE are in Texas dear!

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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2010, 10:00:13 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on November 02, 2010, 09:52:48 PM
Except for beans in chili.   :o


+1 !! ROTFLMAO!!!
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2010, 10:03:21 PM »
On the serious side, Soleil, I had a tough time voting for Rick Perry for Governor of Texas. He's pretty lame when it comes to illegal immigration and likes to spend money. This was one of those times that I just had to hold my nose and vote for him. The other options just weren't satisfactory at all. Bill White, former Mayor of Houston, embraced having a Sanctuary City. Houston is and has been a shit hole for the last four decades.
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2010, 10:07:15 PM »
Quote from: Thor on November 02, 2010, 10:03:21 PM
On the serious side, Soleil, I had a tough time voting for Rick Perry for Governor of Texas. He's pretty lame when it comes to illegal immigration and likes to spend money. This was one of those times that I just had to hold my nose and vote for him. The other options just weren't satisfactory at all. Bill White, former Mayor of Houston, embraced having a Sanctuary City. Houston is and has been a shit hole for the last four decades.

Same here Soleil. What Thor said.  ^ 
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2010, 10:12:27 PM »
I can sympathize.  I wasn't sure about a lot of things when I was younger, either.  Eventually, the right question comes along to settle issues.  For example, abortion.  How young, or old, can a human be before it's OK to kill him or her?  Does age determine that issue?  Or ability?  Or location?  How about size?  Yeah, that pretty much decided me on that issue.  Don't want a kid?  Don't start one.

Once you're solid on some basic issues, it's easier to figure out which party is closer to your view.  It's way better to figure it out than to flip a coin or something.    ;D
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2010, 10:20:41 PM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on November 02, 2010, 10:12:27 PM
I can sympathize.  I wasn't sure about a lot of things when I was younger, either.  Eventually, the right question comes along to settle issues.  For example, abortion.  How young, or old, can a human be before it's OK to kill him or her?  Does age determine that issue?  Or ability?  Or location?  How about size?  Yeah, that pretty much decided me on that issue.  Don't want a kid?  Don't start one.

Once you're solid on some basic issues, it's easier to figure out which party is closer to your view.  It's way better to figure it out than to flip a coin or something.    ;D

See? Abortion is one of those issues for me that I don't think I'll ever have an answer to. For me, it  is not an option. For me life starts when it starts. But, I also realize not everyone is religious and/or believes the same. I don't want to control someone else's body. Ever. Is that hypocritical? Quite possibly. Will you ever see my protesting for womens' reproductive rights? Probably not. Although I do believe a woman has a right to her own body. As I've stated before, I sat beside my BF ( a conservative republican--seriously) while she had an abortion. I hated every minute of it, and so did she, but I was there for her. Sometimes I regret being there with her, but for the most part, I am glad she did have someone there with her. And someone close to her. I was really worried about her mental well being.

I am just very iffy right now.
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2010, 10:49:21 PM »
Quote from: soleil on November 02, 2010, 10:20:41 PM
I am just very iffy right now.

Iffy just means you have a brain that works.  Maybe works a little overtime, but works.

I rarely vote straight party.  Can't remember if I ever have.  Considering other sides of any issue, beyond my first impression, takes more time and effort, but I think it's worth it. 
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2010, 12:00:00 AM »
Iffy means you are questioning and figuring out. No matter which side you land, questioning your views on important issues is a good thing.
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2010, 12:06:59 AM »
Soleil, like you, I'm against abortion. However, a person is going to do what they want to do. It is not my place to stop them. They will answer in the end. In the same vein, I don't feel that us taxpayers should be paying for people's abortions.
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2010, 06:06:04 AM »
You have a nurturing personality. You want to see people healthy and happy.

That's good. That's commendable. Don't ever give that away.

But there is a tremendous gulf between what you desire to see and what you can provide.

You're young yet. You haven't (really) felt the sting of seeing your preferred political charity shit on by some self-serving pol. You haven't felt the gut-kick of seeing the downtrodden person you are trying to save crawl back to the same self-destructive behavior that got them where they were.

You cannot save everyone and even if you could so many people stand ready to abuse your charity for political power or their own self-indulgence. Does that make all politicians corrupt or homeless people worthless bums?

No, but there is a high enough percentage to give us pause  and ask if massive government, blind-bureaucrat, multi-trillion dollar initiatives are the answer. You won't accomplish what you want to do and you'll only feed the power and pocketbooks of those who prey upon the weak.

You can do more as you, by just being soliel, then you could ever dream of doing as just another voter in a political party.

Just make sure other short-sighted voters don't use their lack of vision to deprive you of the resources and freedom to be who you are.
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Re: Quite honestly, I am confused.
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2010, 06:48:50 AM »
Quote from: soleil on November 02, 2010, 09:27:22 PM
Maybe some of y'all could see that. I am not sure. But I am confused at where I stand politically.

I guess Independent would describe me best. Of all nights, election night, I've finally admitted to myself that I am unsure of where I stand, and I HATE THAT. I can't say that I am hardcore democrat. I am certainly not hardcore republican. I can see both sides on many issues. I hate being so indecisive. I hate not being 100% either way. I hate being in the middle. But here I am. Being at DU  for a while, and now reflecting on that made me realize I don't agree with a good bit of what is said and posted there. But I do agree with some it. I agree with some things here. Again not 100%. As much as I loathe abortion personally, I can never say it should be outlawed. I want gay people to have the same rights as I do. On that same note, I can't stand to see our soldiers be looked down on because of a war some don't agree with. I am iffy about the whole healthcare thing. My heart wants everyone to be able to get medical care no matter the cost. My brain tells me it may not be in our countries best interest. I am not sure what I think of richer people paying more taxes. Is is fair? No it isn't, but can it be beneficial? I hate seeing any group of any religion all lumped together. Muslims? They aren't all Osama. Many are evil. Many are so backwards it kills me. BUT I know some very kind peaceful Muslims, and my heart hurts for them for what some assholes have done to their religion. I, as a Christian, would hate to be compared to Fred Phelps or whoever the hell else is out there that is so effing backwards. And no he didn't blow up buildings and kill thousands, but what he does is almost as disgusting. Where does my heart and brain meet up? Somewhere down the damned middle. UGH!

Tonight while voting, I really thought of this. REally, I've been thinking about this for a while. I am one of those swing ****ing voters, and I hate it. I am not asking you to encourage me to be republican. I am merely venting and having some self relflection. I guess as I get older, my opinions may change and vary. I just don't know WTF is up with me right now.

Since I haven't posted much politically, I thought I'd put my thoughts down. So there you have it. I am ****ing confused. Sorry about my language. I am typing what I think as I think it.

FWIW - I was a leftist until Jan 2001 when some things happened that totally changed my world. My politics were largely a product of upbringing at that point.

Since then I've moved further to the right "progressively" year on year.
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