tenured Anne explains teacher tenure to the primitives

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9205136

Oh my.

I'm sure the #19 Top Primitive of 2009 is going to move up this year.

proud2BlibKansan  (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-26-10 03:53 PM
THE die alte Sau, THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
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What Teacher Tenure Is — And What It’s Not

A recent Time magazine poll asked members of the public how they felt about teacher tenure. And, in the course of a 26-word question, Time managed to perpetuate three myths that educators say are contributing to the public’s misunderstanding over what tenure is — and what it’s not.

Specifically, Time asked, “Do you support or oppose tenure for teachers, the practice of guaranteeing teachers lifetime job security after they have worked for a certain amount of time?”

The problem is, tenure does not guarantee teachers a job, does not offer any lifetime employment security, and, regardless of the implication of Time’s question, does not just happen after a “certain amount of time.”

Educators participating in a recent discussion on NEA Today’s Facebook page said that these three tenure myths are prevalent among the media and the general public, and are distractions in the debate on how to improve America’s public schools.

The notion that tenure is a guaranteed job for life must have come as a shock for Lancaster, Calif., teacher Carolyn Heia Brown, who said that she received tenure and was laid off in the same month.

If you thought tenured teachers couldn’t lose their jobs, you’re not alone — it’s a common misunderstanding, but that doesn’t make it accurate.

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And teachers who receive tenure often endure a marathon process before it is granted.

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contracts between unions and school districts in no way forbid the firing of tenured teachers.

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“Tenure is a red herring that really has nothing at all to do with the problems our schools are facing,“ she said. “I think all the attention paid to tenure should be refocused on NCLB which is hurting us far more.”

more . . . http://neatoday.org/2010/09/17/what-tenure-is-and-what-... ’s-not/comment-page-1/#comment-462

New campfire, just lit.  No primitives have spotted it yet.

"No Child Left Behind"--the brainchild of the now departed Vast Teddy.....

[Chris_]

Public schools have been in a sorry state long before George W. Bush came along.

Queen Anne got another job recently.  I wonder what prompted the change.

[franksolich]

Queen Anne got another job recently.  I wonder what prompted the change.

They closed her school down in Kansas City.

In fact, Kansas City closed damned near two-thirds of their schools, because of declining student enrollment.

The die alte Sau, despite that she's 57 years old, weeks away from 58, and with comfortable savings and an enormous retirement account, wouldn't make way for a younger teacher who has less.

Selfish, selfish, Anne is.

A greedy pig, actually, the die alte Sau.

[zeitgeist]

They closed her school down in Kansas City.

In fact, Kansas City closed damned near two-thirds of their schools, because of declining student enrollment.

The die alte Sau, despite that she's 57 years old, weeks away from 58, and with comfortable savings and an enormous retirement account, wouldn't make way for a younger teacher who has less.

Selfish, selfish, Anne is.

A greedy pig, actually, the die alte Sau.

I have often seen her receiving beat downs in the Ed forum of el dumpo.  Plenty of dummies are on to her act.

[Carl]

Bullshit...tenure doesn`t guarantee a position for a useless unionist but it does make it nearly impossible due to expense to get rid of one.

[MrsSmith]

Bullshit...tenure doesn`t guarantee a position for a useless unionist but it does make it nearly impossible due to expense to get rid of one.

It obviously guarantees a position or Mike Adams wouldn't have his job.   

[thundley4]

Bullshit...tenure doesn`t guarantee a position for a useless unionist but it does make it nearly impossible due to expense to get rid of one.

That's why New York City is paying teachers to sit in a rubber room collecting their full pay.

[franksolich]

I have often seen her receiving beat downs in the Ed forum of el dumpo.  Plenty of dummies are on to her act.

The die alte Sau, the dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher, the greedy old pig, is just like the "mike_c" primitive, on one hand vigorously bashing the capitalist system, and on the other hand even more greedily grabbing at the income and affluence the capitalist system gives them.

The #19 Top Primitive of 2009 and her comrade the "mike_c" primitive are more rapacious than the oil or pharmaceutical companies; they make even the subway cat look like an amateur at grabbing all the goodies of a free-enterprise society.

[formerlurker]

The problem is, tenure does not guarantee teachers a job, does not offer any lifetime employment security, and, regardless of the implication of Time’s question, does not just happen after a “certain amount of time.”

Wrong on all counts. 

[zeitgeist]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9205136

Oh my.

I'm sure the #19 Top Primitive of 2009 is going to move up this year.

New campfire, just lit.  No primitives have spotted it yet.

"No Child Left Behind"--the brainchild of the now departed Vast Teddy.....

And yet another example of p2b's insight on an education related thread.

proud2BlibKansan  (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-26-10 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #70
79. Ah jeez
 

This was from a rather large conflagration on education, might not be suitable if you have just eaten.
 
 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9191780

[delilahmused]

It obviously guarantees a position or Mike Adams wouldn't have his job.   

Or Bill Ayers either. Who in their right mind would give a man like that ANY influence over education? The man stomps all over the flag of the country that, in spite of his contempt for it and it's citizens, has given him a very cushy life in an affluent suburb (a delicious irony I'm sure is wasted on him). Poor little rich boy could afford railing against the establishment because mommy and daddy were rich and now he's living the life of those he once protested against.

Cindie

[Tucker]

All of those, **cough-cough, misconceptions that Pritchett is referring to are an exception, not the rule. It is very difficult to get rid of a tenured educator. Very difficult.