Illegal immigration and outsourcing is the same thing

[thundley4]

dkf   (1000+ posts)             Wed Jul-14-10 06:28 AM
Original message
Illegal immigration and outsourcing is the same thing.
   
Both have the goal of employers replacing higher wage earners so someone without benefits working below minimum wage will do it cheaper. Everytime you argue that the job the illegal immigrant is doing is beneath the dignity of the American worker you are saying that job could be outsourced and we don't care.

But the big corporations have fooled you into thinking that an illegal immigrant getting the jobs is fine because if you fight against it you are a racist. Wake up people. The jobs that illegal immigrants are doing are the ones that can't be moved out of this country yet. They will be the jobs that still exist after the other jobs have left. You better fight for that job because it doesn't seem like other opportunities will come up soon in this crappy jobs market.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8744506

Finally, one of the DUmmies sort of gets it.  Too bad most of the DUmmies try and justify their support of illegals.

xchrom (1000+ posts)             Wed Jul-14-10 06:32 AM
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1. No it isn't. Nt

Nice counter-argument there, DUmbass.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Someone with a faint glimmer of a clue who has survived to over 1000 posts despite that crippling handicap.  Good job, dkf!

[Ballygrl]

unblock (1000+ posts)          Wed Jul-14-10 09:46 AM
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10. nonsense. undocumented workers spend money here, not there.
   when jobs are offshored, the wages paid help the u.s. economy only to the extent that that capital eventually works its way back to us. the foreign employee/employer buys something locally who buys something from a different company in a different country, and so on, until eventually someone imports something from the u.s., THAT eventually, hopefully, leads to a job gained or at least retained in the u.s.

when undocumented workers get paid, they immediately turn around and pay rent, groceries, utilities, and so on right here in the u.s. yes, some undocumented workers send their "profits" to the rest of their family back in their home country, but that's only after a healthy chunk of their money is doing a whole lot of economic good right here.

the fact of the matter is that it's a simplistic lie to say that undocumented workers cost jobs. yes, they compete for the jobs they actually hold, but then they turn around and pay out money, effectively creating jobs all around them.

immigration creates jobs, whether documented or not.

Let's break this down:

They pay no taxes, they live in a house with over 10 people so their rent is low, they send the majority of the money back home and spend very little here, for every $1 they contribute they use $3 in services, they take jobs from Americans and drive down wages.

[jukin]

The federal government by regulating and taxing sends companies to more hospitable countries. At the same time the federal government subsidizes illegal immigration with welfare, food stamps, free medical, and schooling bringing illegals to a more hospitable country.

[JohnnyReb]

^Ballygrl and jukin have it...and that's the tool the liberals will use to bring the country down, spread the wealth around until such point that we all have a job sweeping streets in the gated communities of the ruling liberal elite.

All the democrat party is now is a collection of sexual deviates, crazies, dopers, commies, militant racial orgs., bloodsuckers and miscellaneous other misfits. They need to bring in other voters to remain a party with any political power.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Let's break this down:

They pay no taxes, they live in a house with over 10 people so their rent is low, they send the majority of the money back home and spend very little here, for every $1 they contribute they use $3 in services, they take jobs from Americans and drive down wages.

About the only thing you left out is their rampant identity theft, using SSANs of actual citizens and claiming about 15 dependents so nothing is withheld, and then switching to another stolen name and number when IRS goes after the poor bastard who actually had his identity stolen.

[Ballygrl]

About the only thing you left out is their rampant identity theft, using SSANs of actual citizens and claiming about 15 dependents so nothing is withheld, and then switching to another stolen name and number when IRS goes after the poor bastard who actually had his identity stolen.

That too!