Suspect in slayings of Fla. officers surrenders after negotiations

[BlueStateSaint]

It's an AP byline, so all I'll give is the link:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/police-suspect-killing-tampa-officers-routine-traffic-stop-arrest/?test=latestnews

The scum deserves to die, IMO.

[NHSparky]

Negotiation?  How about, "If you aren't UNDER the jail in about 10 seconds, you will be hunted down and shot like the diseased animal you are?"

[lars1701c]

It's an AP byline, so all I'll give is the link:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/police-suspect-killing-tampa-officers-routine-traffic-stop-arrest/?test=latestnews

The scum deserves to die, IMO.

Dont worry they did their crime in FL, they prolly are going to die. (rightly so)

[PatriotGame]

Looks like it's time for 0bama to arrange a beer summit between Dontae Rashawn and the families of those he murdered.

[AllosaursRus]

It's an AP byline, so all I'll give is the link:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/police-suspect-killing-tampa-officers-routine-traffic-stop-arrest/?test=latestnews

The scum deserves to die, IMO.

I guarantee ya, my brethren in Law Enforcement would rather he didn't surrender!

[BlueStateSaint]

I guarantee ya, my brethren in Law Enforcement would rather he didn't surrender!

A few years back, there was a part-Native American named Ralph 'Bucky' Phillips, who was wanted on some sort of warrant, in NYS.  He got pulled over by a New York State Trooper, and wounded said trooper, IIRC.  Well, he fled, and the State Troopers put one of their tactical units on him.  He surprised them as they were going through the woods west of Jamestown.  Killed one of them, and severely wounded another.  Shot the Troopers in the legs--center of the thighs--with a .308.  He was on the run for a while, but the Pennsylvania State Troopers finally caught up with him just across the NY/PA border near Erie.  Anyway, the trooper who died from the femoral artery wound had been stationed at where I worked.  I told another trooper there that I wouldn't mind seeing said assailant through the sights of my 1100 slug gun.  He told me, "Sir, I can't officially comment, but I like your thinking."

[AllosaursRus]

A few years back, there was a part-Native American named Ralph 'Bucky' Phillips, who was wanted on some sort of warrant, in NYS.  He got pulled over by a New York State Trooper, and wounded said trooper, IIRC.  Well, he fled, and the State Troopers put one of their tactical units on him.  He surprised them as they were going through the woods west of Jamestown.  Killed one of them, and severely wounded another.  Shot the Troopers in the legs--center of the thighs--with a .308.  He was on the run for a while, but the Pennsylvania State Troopers finally caught up with him just across the NY/PA border near Erie.  Anyway, the trooper who died from the femoral artery wound had been stationed at where I worked.  I told another trooper there that I wouldn't mind seeing said assailant through the sights of my 1100 slug gun.  He told me, "Sir, I can't officially comment, but I like your thinking."

I can tell ya, after huntin' men, deer and elk are pretty much a let down.

[rich_t]

OK.

I'm probably gonna get my ass flamed off for this but....

What makes the shooting/murder of a cop any worse than the shooting/murder of anyone else?  I personally don't view a cop's life as any more or any less important than that of any other person.  I don't agree with increased legal penalties based on the chosen profession of the victim.  And I damn sure don't view the killing of a "canine cop" the same as I do killing a human.

[BlueStateSaint]

OK.

I'm probably gonna get my ass flamed off for this but....

What makes the shooting/murder of a cop any worse than the shooting/murder of anyone else?  I personally don't view a cop's life as any more or any less important than that of any other person.  I don't agree with increased legal penalties based on the chosen profession of the victim.  And I damn sure don't view the killing of a "canine cop" the same as I do killing a human.

I'm not going to flame you, because I actually think I have a cogent, coherant answer.  Law enforcement represents "The Law," which is constituted of the social fabric that holds society together.  When a member of law enforcement is killed, it is a strike at said social fabric, IMO.  If that social fabric fails, anarchy results.  "The Postman" or "The Road" happens for real.

[JohnnyReb]

Officer, "Honest. I have no idea how it happened. The back doors just flew open and he fell out......and a semi ran over him."

[soleil]

OK.

I'm probably gonna get my ass flamed off for this but....

What makes the shooting/murder of a cop any worse than the shooting/murder of anyone else?  I personally don't view a cop's life as any more or any less important than that of any other person.  I don't agree with increased legal penalties based on the chosen profession of the victim.  And I damn sure don't view the killing of a "canine cop" the same as I do killing a human.

I understand what you mean. I think it is just one of those things. Cops and others in law enforcement go against the bad guys daily. Most (and I say most pretty lightly) appreciate their service and their risking their lives for us to have a better society. When one is killed in the line of duty, there is something symbolic about it, and there is something there that pisses people off and definitely pisses off other cops. It is a brotherhood of sorts. I don't think their lives are more worthy than ours at all, but in a sense, the bad guys got one up on them, and that ain't good. We all hope, like we do with our troops, that they can get the job done safely and efficiently, so when one goes down in the line of duty, it hurts, and it hurts bad. Just my two cents. My brother has been in law enforcement for a while now. And he has almost died more times than I know about. OR even want to know about. But he has lost some "brothers" along the way, and it is for some reason a little extra tough. And let me add, that my brother (and me of course) have lost a real brother in a car accident. So, he knows the pain of losing a very very close loved one and losing a cop brother. Did it hurt as bad to lose his cop brother? Of course not, but it did hurt in a different way. At least from what he tells me. And oddly enough, he was the one at home when the cops showed up to tell about the death of my brother (and he was not a cop at the time, only 21), and now he is the guy who shows up and peoples' houses with that devastating news. How he can do that is beyond me. Espcecially after being on the other end, but he says that is exactly how he can do it. He's been there.

[PatriotGame]

OK.

I'm probably gonna get my ass flamed off for this but....

What makes the shooting/murder of a cop any worse than the shooting/murder of anyone else?  I personally don't view a cop's life as any more or any less important than that of any other person.  I don't agree with increased legal penalties based on the chosen profession of the victim.  And I damn sure don't view the killing of a "canine cop" the same as I do killing a human.

Is revenge really such a bad thing?

I guess after 3,000 dead Americans from 9/11 we should have just shrugged our shoulders and said "well, kids will be kids. They're human too".

[AllosaursRus]

OK.

I'm probably gonna get my ass flamed off for this but....

What makes the shooting/murder of a cop any worse than the shooting/murder of anyone else?  I personally don't view a cop's life as any more or any less important than that of any other person.  I don't agree with increased legal penalties based on the chosen profession of the victim.  And I damn sure don't view the killing of a "canine cop" the same as I do killing a human.

I can't believe you even ask that question!

How about Cops deal with society on a daily basis and see the dregs of society on a daily basis, confront those that would do us harm, and then, pulling a criminal over to protect society, end up ****in' DEAD trying to get the ****in' criminal off the ****in' street where he/she can't make you dead!

Just what the hell is your risk factor every day compared to theirs Bubba?

Is that clear enough?

ETA:

And I damn sure don't view the killing of a "canine cop" the same as I do killing a human.

Guess you never had one save your life. either!

[ardentconservative]

 ***BlueStateSaint wrote:  The scum deserves to die, IMO.  ***

***Sparkty wrote: Negotiation?  How about, "If you aren't UNDER the jail in about 10 seconds, you will be hunted down and shot like the diseased animal you are?"***


Aw, com'on guys, don't you know that this piece of feces has rights.  Huh, don't you.  After all he is an American citizen.

Here's what needs to be done.  Two wires with clips on one end, the other end connected to a 220 V supply.  One clip connected to a spherical object, the other clip to the other spherical object.  Turn on the 220 and watch his eyes light up.  Then give the switch to the children of these dead officers.

 

[rich_t]

Thank you BlueSaint and Soleil for your reasoned responses.

For the record, I think all folks that commit murder should get the death penalty. 

[AllosaursRus]

Thank you BlueSaint and Soleil for your reasoned responses.

For the record, I think all folks that commit murder should get the death penalty. 

Oh, mine was a measured response, too! I work with policemen quite often and see the day to day. Maybe ya ought to look up your locals and see about a ride-a-long.

[soleil]

OK.

I'm probably gonna get my ass flamed off for this but....

What makes the shooting/murder of a cop any worse than the shooting/murder of anyone else?  I personally don't view a cop's life as any more or any less important than that of any other person.  I don't agree with increased legal penalties based on the chosen profession of the victim.  And I damn sure don't view the killing of a "canine cop" the same as I do killing a human.

I don't understand why anyone would flame you for saying that. I think many many would agree. However, I have seen the other side through my brother's eyes, and I have a different perspective.

[rich_t]

I can't believe you even ask that question!

How about Cops deal with society on a daily basis and see the dregs of society on a daily basis, confront those that would do us harm, and then, pulling a criminal over to protect society, end up ****in' DEAD trying to get the ****in' criminal off the ****in' street where he/she can't make you dead!

Just what the hell is your risk factor every day compared to theirs Bubba?

Is that clear enough?

ETA:

Guess you never had one save your life. either!

So do you think a cop's life is worth more than your own?  Or that of your family members?

Note that is a question, not an assumption on my part.

I understand that police officers potentially put their lives on the line on a regular basis, as do firefighters.  But they chose that profession and assumed the risks of dying in the line of duty as part of the job.  But does that inherently make their lives more valuable than another citizen's?

Would the murder of a non-cop victim get the perp the same sentence?

I don't like double standards under the law.  Period. 

[NHSparky]

So do you think a cop's life is worth more than your own?  Or that of your family members?

Note that is a question, not an assumption on my part.

I understand that police officers potentially put their lives on the line on a regular basis, as do firefighters.  But they chose that profession and assumed the risks of dying in the line of duty as part of the job.  But does that inherently make their lives more valuable than another citizen's?

Would the murder of a non-cop victim get the perp the same sentence?

I don't like double standards under the law.  Period. 

From a strictly as a person standpoint?  No.  But certain crimes DO have more severe ramifications on the mores of society, and murder being high on that list, and murder of those in authority being higher still.

So is their life per se more valuable?  No--but what they REPRESENT is.

[thundley4]

From a strictly as a person standpoint?  No.  But certain crimes DO have more severe ramifications on the mores of society, and murder being high on that list, and murder of those in authority being higher still.

So is their life per se more valuable?  No--but what they REPRESENT is.

We have always placed a higher price on someone's life based on their position in society. For example: make an anonymous threat against another regular person on the internet and chances are it won't be investigated. Make that same threat against a celebrity and it might get taken seriously.  Make it against a politician and the chances of it getting taken seriously goes up tremendously.

[AllosaursRus]

From a strictly as a person standpoint?  No.  But certain crimes DO have more severe ramifications on the mores of society, and murder being high on that list, and murder of those in authority being higher still.

So is their life per se more valuable?  No--but what they REPRESENT is.

Couldn't have stated any better. Sure murder is murder no matter the individual, but those sworn to protect us have always carried greater sentences than Joe citizen.

In some states, you kill a cop and it gets you an appointment with a needle, where as you kill me, it's likely to get you 25 to life.

Is the cop worth more than I? No, the job he performs is!

[ConservativeJoeG]

There is nothing worse than the death of people that serve to protect.

[BlueStateSaint]

Thank you BlueSaint and Soleil for your reasoned responses.

For the record, I think all folks that commit murder should get the death penalty. 

You are welcome.  My sentiment approximates AR's, though.  (I don't work with as many LEOs, though I do have them in my extended family.)  And, I fully agree with you that murder deserves a date with the executioner.