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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2010, 05:25:01 PM »
The situations are similar, but unlike each other in a number of ways.....

First, LBJ was a sublimely STUPID man, he was simply not capable of involving himself in military strategy, McNamara was an academic and a theoretician, also not equipped for the job, as he later admitted.  Johnson would have done well to let his military leaders lead, and leave them alone......but his ego, and lack of native intelligence would not allow that.

Second, the war was a "conventional" one, to an extent, and although the enemy tactics were different, they were well within the purview and capability of the American military at the time......as demonstrated by the fact that we never actually "lost" a major campaign there, nor did we lose the war......we simply gave up, and left it to collapse.  This is the eventual result that I fear the most about the campaign in Afghanistan.

For all of his foibles, Obama is not stupid......he has intelligence, however, his every move is motivated by "politics", and not the art of war.  He is much more concerned with how HE will look politically, than how his ultimate actions effect the eventual outcome of the war.  This war is an "unconventional" conflict, where there are NO national players, and it is simply an unending series of small-unit insurgencies, with combatants that hide among, and are supported by members of the native population.

War is all about "killing people, and breaking things", and short of the niceties of the Geneva Convention, the manner in which wars need to be conducted, is largely without restraint.  In Obama's world, war can only be fought if nobody inadvertently gets hurt, and no actions are taken that result in uncomfortable political ramifications for HIM, and his party.  To that degree, the two are similar, but there is where the similarity ends.

Not even the best military leaders can win a war with their hands tied behind their backs,, and I fear that this is Obama's style.......he views his image as far more important than getting the job done......

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2010, 05:33:31 PM »
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2010, 05:41:25 PM »
Why is it that leftist douches seem to think that anyone that disagrees with them must be "indoctrinated" , "brainwashed" or what not by "Talk Radio"  or some other label for a media outlet that has been branded right-wing because it doesn't broadcast leftist PC crap 24/7 ?

Could it be projection ?

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2010, 06:10:21 PM »
Why is it that leftist douches seem to think that anyone that disagrees with them must be "indoctrinated" , "brainwashed" or what not by "Talk Radio"  or some other label for a media outlet that has been branded right-wing because it doesn't broadcast leftist PC crap 24/7 ?

Could it be projection ?


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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2010, 06:16:39 PM »
Hating the USA for what it is,what it stands for and was founded on probably won`t get much respect from those who have volunteered their lives to protect and defend it.

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2010, 06:32:29 PM »
I would venture a guess and say the a majority of military personnel hate liberal anti war Presidents because they will do everything in their power to get the fighting man killed, cut the funding and show absolutely no respect.

I will go even further and state that liberal politicians are a danger to freedom loving Americans everywhere. The military knows that their family and loved ones are included in this group.
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2010, 06:39:26 PM »
When I was on AD in the 70's Jimmy C was elected.  Spending on the military decreased, now, when a republican president is in office and only increases funding for education only 3%  vs. 5% he is vilified by the left and the people that would be getting that funding.  If congress decreases funding for the military, people affected should not be upset?

I remember hours being cut from squadron flight time.  Forced some pilots not being able to meet mandatory flight hours.  That in it self would not be a big deal, but in in the late 70,s we still had a cold war going on.  Kind of hard to perform the mission required when steaming days and flight time is cut.  It is not that military members disrespect democratic presidents, we just disagree with the policies that takes resources from our rice bowl and puts it in some one elses.  Seems to be the exact same thing that happens to the left when a conservative takes office.
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2010, 06:42:40 PM »
What do you expect from a group who thinks John F'n Kerry deserved his 3 Purple Hearts?
Well yea BUTT..sKerry got three of these too...


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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2010, 06:46:20 PM »
Well yea BUTT..sKerry got three of these too...


...sooooooooooooooo...he MUST be qualified to be POTUS!  :-) :cheersmate:

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2010, 06:53:29 PM »
What the heck ever happened to AFRTS anyway?

Back in 1988 - 1992 I actually liked their programming while I lived on Kwajalein Atoll. I loved that there was only one commercial break, a military commercial, during each 1/2 hour of programming.
I even listened to NPR on occasion and liked some of it. The guy that ran the AFRTS on-island was a retired Air Force colonel that worked with the SR-71 Blackbird program. Oh the stories...boy! Did they have "special" cameras and optics!
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2010, 07:13:45 PM »
Well yea BUTT..sKerry got three of these too...


...sooooooooooooooo...he MUST be qualified to be POTUS!  :-) :cheersmate:

I don't get it. Is that Astro? George Jetson's dog.  :confused:
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2010, 08:17:16 PM »
I don't get it. Is that Astro? George Jetson's dog.  :confused:
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2010, 09:08:15 PM »
Scooby Doo band aids.

My work is never done...sigh.. :-)

Come to think of it, unions do create jobs. Companies have to hire two workers to do the work of one.

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2010, 09:23:58 PM »

It was a joke man...just a joke...
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2010, 10:05:38 PM »
Whats to respect when your jobs in danger of being cut much less your pay . The track record of most Democrats since Roosevelt towards the military is hardly a shining beacon of hope. I know this might seem like a foreign concept to you DUmp****ers but in order to get respect you really do have to earn it and to a man not one Democratic President has really earned it. You take things away from the Military they need to fight wars then drop them into a meat grinder and expect them to be happy about it?
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2010, 12:13:02 AM »
Well yea BUTT..sKerry got three of these too...


...sooooooooooooooo...he MUST be qualified to be POTUS!  :-) :cheersmate:
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2010, 05:19:33 AM »
It was a joke man...just a joke...

It is me under the bag for being stoopid. :cheersmate:
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2010, 06:55:40 AM »
Ya know, while we're on the subject..........Isn't this admin doing basically the same ****ed up thing as the Johnson admin?

Aren't they tellin' the military which targets, who or what to shoot, tying the hands behind the back of our soldiers and dictating to airmen who or what they can target, in order to appease the left wing lunatics?

The admin is so afraid of pissin' off the left, they are willing to sacrifice our warriors in order to not piss off the anti-war left!

Johnson and McNamara did the same damn thing! They made Hanoi off limits to bombing raids even though they had anti aircraft missiles lining the streets!

Pretty much correct.  I read McNamara's book years ago as well as DKG's official LBJ autobiography.  To this day whenever I see Doris on TV all I can't get the image of her as a young girl with Lyndon's "Johnson".  Yikes.  He was disgustingly crude, rather like a bunch of old farmers out in the barn. 
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2010, 07:06:55 AM »
When I was on AD in the 70's Jimmy C was elected.  Spending on the military decreased, now, when a republican president is in office and only increases funding for education only 3%  vs. 5% he is vilified by the left and the people that would be getting that funding.  If congress decreases funding for the military, people affected should not be upset?

I remember hours being cut from squadron flight time.  Forced some pilots not being able to meet mandatory flight hours.  That in it self would not be a big deal, but in in the late 70,s we still had a cold war going on.  Kind of hard to perform the mission required when steaming days and flight time is cut.  It is not that military members disrespect democratic presidents, we just disagree with the policies that takes resources from our rice bowl and puts it in some one elses.  Seems to be the exact same thing that happens to the left when a conservative takes office.

I was just off active finishing up Reserve time.  Reserve readiness fell to an all time low.  One year I was sitting in a box plotting a Gulf War scenario in Little Creek for two weeks, the next there wasn't enough money for training duty so we all just stayed home.  People were leaving in droves. 
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2010, 07:33:43 AM »
It is me under the bag for being stoopid. :cheersmate:
Or the Unknown Comedian.  :cheersmate:
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2010, 11:37:27 AM »
What the heck ever happened to AFRTS anyway?

Back in 1988 - 1992 I actually liked their programming while I lived on Kwajalein Atoll. I loved that there was only one commercial break, a military commercial, during each 1/2 hour of programming.
I even listened to NPR on occasion and liked some of it. The guy that ran the AFRTS on-island was a retired Air Force colonel that worked with the SR-71 Blackbird program. Oh the stories...boy! Did they have "special" cameras and optics!

AFRTS (pronounced A-Farts) became what is now AFN.

The station on the Atoll remains the only completely civilian manned AFN station in the entire command.
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2010, 03:49:56 PM »
Here, DUmmies--read it.  Choke on it.

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=19533

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TSO sent us this article from Frank Schaeffer in the Huffington Post entitled “McChrystal’s Disdain: Symptom of a Mercenary Force With Few Ties to Civilian Leaders”. Apparently Schaeffer’s claim to fame is that he wrote two books about how hippies don’t get military service. The first was in response to his son joining the Marines;

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As a typical member of the white upper middle classes, as a writer living in Boston and as someone who never served, I was shocked by his choice.

My son John and I wrote a book describing our journey together to a place where I came to value the military and he came to understand my post-Vietnam parental anxiety….

Yeah, there’s the disconnect, dipshit – some of us are called to the profession while others write idiot books about ****ing “journeys”. I don’t know what this clown thought being white had to do with military service when the majority of people in the military are white – like the rest of America. But I digress….

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In 1976, most of the military identified as Independent, while 33 percent identified as Republican (still a larger proportion than the general public). But the armed services have abandoned this neutrality. Now 60 percent considered themselves Republican, and only seventeen percent considered themselves Independent.

What happened after 1976, numbnuts? Well, the first thing that happened the following year was your idiot hippie President gave amnesty to all of the other hippies that dodged the draft and fled to Canada and just generally and flagrantly thumbed their noses at honorable service to the country. Your idiot hippie president demeaned service in the military – and then he let the members of the military slide into poverty with paltry pay raises and barracks conditions that made us long for conditions like Walter Reed’s outpatient barracks. Oh, but he did give us a huge pay raise – a month before the 1980 election.

Ronald Reagan gave us pay raises, improved our living conditions, gave us new equipment, defined our mission, gave us the resources to train to a standard related to the mission…all the while, Democrats in Congress complained that he was spending the country into debt while their useless welfare programs poured money into the streets. How would you expect us to act?

When we finally got a chance to rebuild the image of the country in Honduras, Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Iraq and we toppled the Soviet Empire, all we heard was whining from Democrats while they continued to pour money into the streets of a welfare nation.

Schaeffer ends his little treatise with this;

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We now have a civilian leadership with no military experience in charge of a mercenary professional force with few personal (let alone empathetic) ties to our leaders.

And that force is no longer protecting America only but rather projecting imperial overreach that will lead to more and more loss of American lives for no reason. Expect more trouble.


You hippie ****s didn’t want to be bothered with military service so you protested the draft – the only thing that disrupted your perfect little impetuous lives and now you tremble in fear when one general expresses regret that the president doesn’t take his advice? I don’t see Schaeffer running down to the recruiting office to help avoid this problem. Just like when he was a younger hippie, he’s punting the problem off to someone else to rectify…all the while taking cheap shots at the military which he now warns is an “imperial” power (how far back in his hippie vocabulary was that word?) Would he hesitate before calling his son an imperialist? Those generals he fears are someone else’s sons, no different from his own.

These ****ing hippies with kids in the military should shut their ****ing traps.

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2010, 04:31:06 PM »
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It's got nothing to do with what's on the radio, you dimwit.  It's very simple:  The military doesn't like weak and stupid.  Weak and stupid can get you killed.  Dems are weak and stupid, ergo the military doesn't like Dems.

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2010, 08:22:42 PM »
Because they know it's one of the few remaining American institutions that the left hasn't yet managed to infiltrate and dominate. Christianity was the other until recently but they've dug their mole tunnels into that now, with the rise of the "Christian Left" and their " social justice" agenda, as they further marginalise Biblical Christianity. I don't doubt that there is some Alinskyite somewhere, even as I type, working on a plan to do the same to the military if they can. They already began pushing the envelope of treason in the Sixties against the military, shouting things that Americans would never have previously ever
thought, about the troops.