Want a Pay Raise? Just magicaly wish yourself some money!

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Union Yes  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Jun-05-10 11:52 AM
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Stop ALL corporate food, farm, Big Oil, Energy subsidies. Instead subsidize LOW WAGES..
   
to a $14 an hour LIVING wage standard.

Economic stimilus.

Would you benefit? Rising national wages tend to increase wages for most workers. Even those who earn more than $14 an hour.

It the price increases and job losses in between that the real killer.

old mark  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Jun-05-10 12:04 PM
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1. Funny - our government subsidises huge agri-business holdings,
   
Edited on Sat Jun-05-10 12:04 PM by old mark
cattle ranchers and corporate farmers, but to suggest a guaranteed living wage-which would alleviate reliance on poverty programs and promote spending and increase business-no, that's un-American. Rick Santorum stated that poverty builds character, and thus is good for people (Only for poor people, though...the rich still get tax breaks.)

rec.
mark

Got an actual quote there DUmbass or is this just another episode of "What I WANTED to hear was..."?

Of course I don't think Santorum (who has been out of office for a few years now) or any other conservative wants to subsidize corporations any more than they want to subsidize wages because both distort the market and hurt the average citizen.

melm00se  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Jun-05-10 12:07 PM
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3. control prices
   
to offset inflation that would inevitably eat into the living wage?

Not sure if this is sarcasm. I believe it is but one can never tell when it comes to DUmbasses and price controls.
 

pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jun-05-10 12:19 PM
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4. Australia just raised their minimum wage to $15 (Aus) an hour which is about $12 (US).
   
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704025304...

(I believe that the current exchange rate is about $1.20 Australian to our dollar.)

Shows how far on the minimum wage we have to go. Your suggestion to stop corporate subsidies is also a great one!

$12/hr to sit behind the counter at a Kiwi Kwiki Mart?

What really amazes me is how much of a herd mentality these nitwits have. Australian *just* got done doing it ergo we should do it too before we can see what really happens. These people are the ones whose mothers pleaded, "if your friends jumped off a bridge would you do it too?" to no avail.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8491136

[NHSparky]

Yup--and look at their unemployment numbers and GDP growth, asshats.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The magic continues:

Massacure  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Jun-05-10 12:31 PM
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5. Not everybody has a job though.
   
We should get rid of the minimum wage and just give everybody a $15,000 tax rebate instead. Reduce the tax rebate by one dollar for every three dollars a person earns.

And then we can take aunt Nancy's advice and quit our jobs and be artists because then we'll have free healthcare and $15,000/year.

I hope those few people still left working really like art because there's going to be a lot of it once people are going to be signing up to live off the government dime.

proudohioan  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Jun-05-10 12:33 PM
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6. K&R!!!!
   
Edited on Sat Jun-05-10 12:34 PM by proudohioan
And here is an interesting link to show another little known corporate giveaway. It's called the WOTC tax credit.

www.doleta.gov/business/incentives/opptax/

When combined with all the other 'corporate welfare giveaways', it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how all of these 'big box' low-wage employers got so big so quickly.

Sickening!

Union, YES!!!! Let's start leveling the playing field!

So tax incentives to get people off of welfare = sickening

Nuclear Unicorn  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Jun-05-10 12:37 PM
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7. You would still be subsidizing corporations
   
Because as soon as the wages were subsidized by the government the corporations would lower what they pay employees and keep it for themselves then allow the government to make-up the difference and then they would raise prices to take back "their money" from the other side of the economic revolving door.

Good girl!

You would need strict wage and price controls.

Wait! Wha--?

...but that scares people.

I say, if we can create things as complex as insurance actuarial tables then having a wage and price index for jobs doesn't seem too impossible. It's just a lack of imagination.

So close and yet so far, far...REALLY...far away.

[JohnnyReb]

I've been asking for years what a "living wage" was....so, they've finally put a number on it, $14 an hour, huh.

They'll be back for more when they discover that will only cover their dope bill.

[Carl]

I've been asking for years what a "living wage" was....so, they've finally put a number on it, $14 an hour, huh.

They'll be back for more when they discover that will only cover their dope bill.

You have to remember that $14/hr is for luxuries,they still want free housing/food/health care.
The living wage isn`t to pay for them just things outside what they determine are "rights" and should be provided.

[The Village Idiot]

wage and price controls do not work.

Hugo Chavez did that on meat... guess what is hard to find in Venezuela? (except on the black market)

[jukin]

No amount of wishing will make 1+1=blue nor communism = bliss.

[DumbAss Tanker]

That kind of system does stabilize the money, after a fashion (Not that instability in the currency supply is really part of any present problem), however it plays total havoc with the supply of consumer goods, down to and including basic foodstuffs, which will randomly surge and disappear by turns until every supplier of perishables goes competely broke, at which point there's nothing to buy with that $14.  The USSR of the 70s and 80s is a good case in point.

[miskie]

Primitives - let me tell you a story, that will work as a parable.

Ever been in a car that had broken down on the highway ? I have. thankfully we were at the end when it happened. The power lead to the fuel pump on my wife's Lesbaru popped, leaving the two of us, and our three kids stranded. So, I got out and pushed the damn thing across the intersection, and down the road where it could be parked, and as I was racing the Lesbaru across this intersection, a total stranger got out of his car and helped. We were all fine, and since we were a few blocks from our destination, from there we walked to where we were going. We then called a tow truck afterward, and while the wife and kids waited, I walked several miles home, got my vehicle, and picked them all up. It all worked out fine.

Cars are heavy when you are the only one pushing, especially when they are loaded with people. Thankfully it was a temporary situation. The Lesbaru was repaired and has been perfect ever since.

On to this living wage crap, it disincentives workers. Why get out and push, when you can just ride along while someone else does it ? Say you have a family of four, all working age. Together the four of you will steal 60 thousand a year in tax rebates. For many families (depending on where you live) 60K a year is enough. Thats five thousand a month, to do nothing. Why work at all ? Someone else will do it - someone else will push. What happens when the day comes that there is nobody left to do the pushing ?

Greece happens, thats what.

I hope my little story was both entertaining and educational my lurking primitive friends.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Miskie, they see that story and think it's all going to be downhill.  Unfortunately, if they got their way, they'd be all too right about that, but not in the way they think.

[miskie]

Miskie, they see that story and think it's all going to be downhill.  Unfortunately, if they got their way, they'd be all too right about that, but not in the way they think.

I suspect you are right. The reality for me however is the stranger and I pushed the car uphill when we got across that intersection. It wasn't a steep incline, but steep enough to feel it in your knees and lower back the next day..

But thats just me - I needed to move the car - as husband and dad, I didn't give it a second thought. How many primitives would have done the same, vs how many would have sat there and waited for a tow truck in a notoriously dangerous intersection ?

*SELF RESPONSIBILITY, PEOPLE !

Don't wait for Daddy Obama and Momma Pelosi to come along to help you blow your noses and wipe your asses. Get off your self righteous, entitlement laden buttocks and do something productive for a change.

[BlueStateSaint]

Don't wait for Daddy Obama and Momma Pelosi to come along to help you blow your noses and wipe your asses. Get off your self righteous, entitlement laden buttocks and do something productive for a change.

Miskie, that would require the DUmb****s doing the one thing they dread the most, and it's a four-letter word . . .

WORK.