Am I alone here? I find a memorial day that singles out Americans offensive.

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howard112211 (555 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-02-10 05:18 AM
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Am I alone here? I find a memorial day that singles out Americans offensive.
   
Edited on Wed Jun-02-10 05:18 AM by howard112211
Especially during times where America is engaged in wars of aggression. Why? Because it is an affront to the victims of America, if they are left out of the commemoration. The soldiers that died on the "highway of death" for instance, didn't choose the policy either. Plus the act of killing them indiscriminately is viewed as a warcrime by many experts. So why are they not mentioned on memorial day? Making the argument that soldiers should be commemorated independent of what the orders are which they were following, since they didn't choose them, is certainly a valid point of view. But if you single out a specific group of soldiers and not mention the others, you are elevating the sacrifice of one group, and thus diminishing that of the other group. Thus the argument becomes hypocritical, since it is not the soldier per se which is being commemorated.

Would we see it as offensive if Germany introduced a day celebrating the memory of their "fallen hero's" of the second world war, that did not mention the victims of Germany, the soldiers of the "other side" and the fact that Germany started the war? Probably yes

Jagoff. 

Big bonfire.

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[AllosaursRus]

Please, please, please, say that out loud in front of me or mine! I'd like to rip your head off and piss down the hole!

Nothing like preaching against the country that allows you to live in comfort, enjoy a free society and all that it entails, and then shit on it! Frikkin' puke!

[thundley4]

Memorial Day was originally a day to commemorate the Civil War. Effin' DUmmies.

The DUmmies get mentioned on ThisAin'tHell.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I find a memorial day that singles out Americans offensive

I'm always amazed at how Black History Month makes no mention of the white--and predominantly Christian--abolitionists, the predominantly white congress that passed civil rights laws in the 1870s and 1960s, the white civil rights activists as well as the 9 white SCOTUS justices that struck down Jim Crowe.

Silly me, I thought the team effort is what made us a team.

[debk]

I'm always amazed at how Black History Month makes no mention of the white--and predominantly Christian--abolitionists, the predominantly white congress that passed civil rights laws in the 1870s and 1960s, the white civil rights activists as well as the 9 white SCOTUS justices that struck down Jim Crowe.

Silly me, I thought the team effort is what made us a team.

Silly Wabbitt......you'll find more carrots in a desert than logic and intelligent comments at the DUmp....

[Karin]

Or the countless, faceless, nameless people who were part of the Underground Railroad.  My house was part of it, as was nearly every old house in these parts.  (We are close to Canada). 

[AllosaursRus]

I'm always amazed at how Black History Month makes no mention of the white--and predominantly Christian--abolitionists, the predominantly white congress that passed civil rights laws in the 1870s and 1960s, the white civil rights activists as well as the 9 white SCOTUS justices that struck down Jim Crowe.

Silly me, I thought the team effort is what made us a team.

You mean you expect logic and fair play from DUmmies? Silly Wabbit!

[delilahmused]

Well if holidays that single out particular Americans is what makes this holiday offensive shouldn't we ban MLK day? Especially when members of color in SEIU are singling out Americans exercising their first amendment rights and beating the crap out of them while spewing a stream of racial epithets?

Cindie

[dandi]

I'm always amazed at how Black History Month makes no mention of the white--and predominantly Christian--abolitionists, the predominantly white congress that passed civil rights laws in the 1870s and 1960s, the white civil rights activists as well as the 9 white SCOTUS justices that struck down Jim Crowe.

Silly me, I thought the team effort is what made us a team.

Eh, it doesn't make mention of the white Jewish fellow who founded the NAACP, either.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Eh, it doesn't make mention of the white Jewish fellow who founded the NAACP, either.

Yes, but he was Jewish so...

[DumbAss Tanker]

I'm always amazed at how Black History Month makes no mention of the white--and predominantly Christian--abolitionists, the predominantly white congress that passed civil rights laws in the 1870s and 1960s, the white civil rights activists as well as the 9 white SCOTUS justices that struck down Jim Crowe.

Silly me, I thought the team effort is what made us a team.

No, no, no, you haven't been eating your Propaganda Flakes^TM.  It's Diversity that makes us strong...as long as it isn't diversity of thought from the Liberal canon, and doesn't involve any White males.   

[AllosaursRus]

No, no, no, you haven't been eating your Propaganda Flakes^TM.  It's Diversity that makes us strong...as long as it isn't diversity of thought from the Liberal canon, and doesn't involve any White males.   

Oh so true! White men are the scourge of the universe! Just ask a DemonRat!

[The Village Idiot]

hey idiot DUmmie

Let their country have a memorial day for them.

ever thought of that?

[AllosaursRus]

hey idiot DUmmie

Let their country have a memorial day for them.

ever thought of that?

DUmpster DIvers think? Ya's got to be kiddin' me right?

[Godot showed up]

HillGal  (211 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jun-02-10 10:44 AM
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32. Call me suspicious but I'm starting to wonder if threads like this are done just to make
   
us look bad.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-02-10 10:47 AM
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34. "Making Us Look Bad" is the secret agenda of all with whom you disagree!
   

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HillGal (211 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-02-10 11:10 AM
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With the mid-terms coming up I just think people need to be aware how we're perceived
   
you don't want to alienate potential voters and threads like that can do it.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-02-10 11:16 AM
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39. Then say what you think is bad about it
   
I just think that DU should let the owners worry about "how threads look" and the members should comment freely.
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HillGal (211 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-02-10 11:10 AM
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37. With the mid-terms coming up I just think people need to be aware how we're perceived
   
you don't want to alienate potential voters and threads like that can do it.
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-02-10 11:28 AM
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42. No, the *real* problem re perception is that the Dem party isn't nearly anti-war enough
   
If voters are also Hawks, **** them and their votes
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HillGal (211 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-02-10 12:05 PM
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48. So you don't care if we lose the mid-terms? NT
   
NT
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-02-10 03:28 PM
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51. So you don't care about substance/ethics over 'feel-good' appearances?
   
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HillGal (211 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-02-10 03:40 PM
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52. What progressive agenda will ever get through if the mid-terms are lost? You have to think ahead
   
and realize that the mindset of this board isn't indicative of the majority of Americans. I said it before, the extremes on either side drive the primary but not the general election, it's not right but the moderates choose who wins and some subjects won't sit well with them.[/b]

HillGal--don't sweat it. No one except we and you are reading your silly posts. You because you think the thoughts of your diseased minds represent the right direction for this country, we because we need a good laugh.

[Freeper]

LAGC  Donating Member  (694 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jun-02-10 05:19 AM
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1. Shut up and support the troops!
   
Memorial Day really irks me too.

jobycom  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jun-02-10 05:47 AM
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3. A nation has to form a cult around its military if it wants to be a militaristic nation.
   
Memorial Day isn't so much about our fallen, it's about creating a cult of worship and idolization around the idea of the military, to romanticize and glorify it. If you tell an 18 year old to sign up to become cannon fodder and die for a politician they probably wouldn't vote for anyway, the 18 year old is going to act like any sane person and refuse. If you tell that 18 year old to join an elite corp of heroes who will forever be immortalized as the bravest and the best America has to offer, you'll get a less sane but more desired response. If you create a cult around America and all its symbols, and demonize the enemy as a threat to family and friends and God and everything else, the 18 year old will be chomping at the bit to become one of those heroes.

Nationalism, patriotism, worship of the uniform, and immortalizing of those who die in war are all tools necessary to convince anyone to go to war. Label anyone who rejects those fake ideals as traitors and abettors of the enemy, and you stifle most resistance at the same time. Sparta did it, Rome did it, the Soviet Union did it, Japan did it, we do it...

I don't mind a holiday to honor our fallen. They deserve the honor. I despise the people who politicize it, though. They use the sacrifice of our military to wave flags and romanticize war and criticize those who work for peace, and by doing so they spit on the graves of the people they pretend to be honoring.
   

Smarmie Doofus  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jun-02-10 06:02 AM
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5. I cannot *stand* the holiday.
   
For all the reasons you mentioned plus the mindless bloviating of the media and the conflation of the "honor the dead" with "support all things military". Witness all the moronic air shows and the like that categorize the celebration of the holiday around the country.

The holiday was created to honor the dead; not to mythologize them.

 

[Randy]

DUmmies are just pissed that welfare doesn't have holiday pay. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

LAGC  Donating Member  (694 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jun-02-10 05:19 AM
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1. Shut up and support the troops!
   
Memorial Day really irks me too.

Well now, that's a blast from the past.  I wonder if that's the same LAGC who used to be on guns.net?  If so, that must mean he's out of jail.  He was a true asshat who would fit right in at DU.

[The Village Idiot]

An American holiday that honors "Americans" is horrible. Does this same DUmmie also think that other countries that have similar holidays are being too exclusive?

[blitzkrieg_17]

What a waste of space these ****sticks are.

[Randy]

Well now, that's a blast from the past.  I wonder if that's the same LAGC who used to be on guns.net?  If so, that must mean he's out of jail.  He was a true asshat who would fit right in at DU.

He's been out and back for awhile now. Still an asshat and still a complete and utter moron. Since the site went down I guess he's had more time to post at the DUmp.