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Offline franksolich

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Pedro Picasso shows up on Skins's island
« on: March 19, 2008, 09:12:39 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3031568

Oh my.

I was hoping to find a bonfire started by Oscar Wilde, and noticed that Pedro Picasso, after a long absence, is back.

It's the same Pedro Picasso we all knew; the same intolerant bigoted Pedro Picasso.

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Atman  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-19-08 09:35 AM
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Part of the Obama/Wright issue NOT being discussed (and it should be)...

(Mods, I don't think this is a GD-P thread; I'm discussing a larger issue)

First of all, I'm an Obama supporter. Not a "hold-your-nose-and-vote" supporter, not a supporter just because I want to send a message to Clinton. I'm an unabashed, proud supporter at this point (of course, things could always change), because I really believe he has the demeanor, the eloquence, the intelligence and the insight to really bring about some change not only in America, but the world.

That said, there is a larger issue over which we've hammered on the GOP church leaders (no, it hasn't done any good in that arena, either), and that is the issue of TAX EXEMPTION. I don't care if this is the church of the candidate I support, Rev. Wright was clearly making political speeches when he went after Hillary Clinton. He was clearly making stating political opinions. And yet, he was doing so under the umbrella of a tax-free religious organization.

Everyone is all upset about WHAT he said, how about WHAT he said and the VENUE in which he said it. If we're going to be outraged, we should at least be consistent and fair in our outrage.

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MNDemNY  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:40 AM
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1. Many Duers ranted at other churches, but I think this one will be left alone.

The IRS should investigate, this and other churches. But alas I think this church is above the law in a lot of DUers minds. Sad.

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DainBramaged  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-19-08 09:41 AM
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2. Let's just keep the Rev. Wright at the front for as long as possible to create doubt in the minds of the patently stupid and racist elements of our country. Oh, and you forgot the link to the YouTube video (of him spewing).

You need a do-over in another thread. Or a visit to Freeperville, where EVERYTHING Obama is bad.

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MNDemNY  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:44 AM
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4. Do you not agree that tax-exempt churches should not deliver partisan politics from the pulpit?

Or does this only matter for "other " churches?

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DainBramaged  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-19-08 09:47 AM
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6. This is my last post in this thread 

I'm not bumping this bullshit any more for your self-satisfaction. If you could not accept the explanation by Obama yesterday, find something else to do with your spare time,

oh, goodbye.

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MNDemNY  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:50 AM
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8. Obama explained why his church is above the law?

I missed that, can you give me a quote?

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RGBolen  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:44 AM
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3. That would have changed some headlines over the years
 
Instead of "I had a dream," we could have had "Alabama revenue department seizes Dexter Ave. Baptist church."

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MNDemNY  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:46 AM
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5. "I have a dream" include NO references to any candidate for public office. Your analogy is false.

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RGBolen  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:47 AM
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7. A 20 year prison sentence for tax evasion could have prevented it

I'm sure the Alabama taxation officials at the time would have been fair.

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MNDemNY  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:52 AM
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9. Federal tax law. 

Why do you insist that anything connected to Obama, any discussion of this church to be an attack on your candidate? This issue has only to do with the abuse of tax-exempt status. Pull your head out and quit shooting at ghosts.

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RGBolen  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:54 AM
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12. Obama? I didn't vote for Obama
 
I just don't think the government should have any control or de facto control over churches.

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MNDemNY  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:56 AM
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15. So you think it's ok for any church to use it's tax-exempt status to further a political candidate? How about a used car lot? Can a church open a used car lot and stay tax exempt? How about a massage parlor, or bar?

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mondo joe  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:56 AM
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16. It's not control. They don't have to take the tax exemption. But if they do, they should abide by the terms of it.

Those who want to be more free wheeling have that option.

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MNDemNY  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:59 AM
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18. So, then. should Trinity give up it's tax-exemption?

Then they can do as they please.

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fasttense (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:53 AM
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10. The Catholic Church for years preached against abortion in a very political way. Yet they still held their tax evasive status. It is just pure BS. Come on, churches and religion have been political forever. You can never separate church and politics cause religion is political.

Either none of them should get tax evasion status or all of them. I think they should all pay taxes cause those damn preachers sure are living large. Religion, what a scam.

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mondo joe  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:55 AM
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13. That's not a partisan issue.

Churches are permitted to speak on issues - not candidates.

But I do agree with your sentiment.

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mondo joe  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:53 AM
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11. Did Wright make explicitly partisan comments?

I honestly have tried to follow this as little as I can so I don't know that level of detail.

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MNDemNY  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:58 AM
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17. Yes, He promoted a particular candidate for office, and spoke against a particular candidate .

Both are direct violations.

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navarth  (440 posts)      Wed Mar-19-08 09:56 AM
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14. maybe we should discuss taxing the churches in a different context. it's an important issues, but having it keep the Wright story going is not helpful.

Frankly I see Rev. Wright as a social commentator more than interfering in elections like a lot of the christian crazies do.

I haven't heard everything he's said, but that's my impression. So maybe it would be better to talk about taxing churches that misbehave politically in a different context. This Wright story shouldn't be allowed to affect an election.

my 2 cents
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Re: Pedro Picasso shows up on Skins's island
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2008, 09:29:52 AM »
Contradictory thoughts are touching in what passes for their minds.

Somehow they must work to prevent that from happening.  :-)

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Re: Pedro Picasso shows up on Skins's island
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2008, 10:55:17 AM »
If you had asked me to name the first DUmmie that came to mind that would be a member of the Osama cult candidacy, it would have been Pedro.  The idiot has always been ripe for being lead around by the nose.

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Re: Pedro Picasso shows up on Skins's island
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2008, 12:55:37 PM »
If you had asked me to name the first DUmmie that came to mind that would be a member of the Osama cult candidacy, it would have been Pedro.  They idiot has always been ripe for being lead around by the nose.

Of course it could be no one but Pedro Picasso.

You know, when looking at people through the prism of the internet, as to those decent civilized people, I take pretty much everybody who comes my way, regardless of socio-economic class, education, religion, race, ethnicity, whatnot.

But when looking at the primitives, I'm always looking for primitives with whom I can "relate;" primitives with backgrounds similar with that of franksolich.  I'm no snob here, but I am a snob when it comes to evaluating primitives.

Born and raised upper middle-class, of European derivation, college-degreed, whatnot.  And oddly, primitives with parents who had professional degrees, but the primitives themselves with only liberal "arts" degrees.

It's tricky, because primitives lie so much, but after some years of watching, I'm reasonably confident that my fellow alum Skins, Doug's ex-wife, Pedro Picasso, and Oscar Wilde, are all so similar with franksolich we might as well have sprung from the same family.  In fact, I'll bet there's not more than a one-point difference in any of our IQs.

Doug's ex-wife being a special case here; she was born bright, but now her mind's occluded with too many mind-altering pharmaceuticals to display any brilliance.  But she was born bright.

I do this specifically because, with such similar backgrounds and intelligences, I'm mystified as to why they've turned out losers, and franksolich hasn't.





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Re: Pedro Picasso shows up on Skins's island
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2008, 01:06:31 PM »
Oh my.

I got out the boat and rowed over to Skins's island to see how the bonfire was going.

It's locked now.
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Re: Pedro Picasso shows up on Skins's island
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2008, 01:14:46 PM »
Oddly enough Pedro has a point. 

The DUmmies have consistently slammed any church that in the slightest way could be seen as endorsing a candidate, party or principle supported by a party (abortion).  It wasn't long ago that some pastor told the congregation to 'Vote their religious principles' and the dump was up in arms to have the IRS investigate. 


25 years ago we had Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope.  Now we have Obama, no hope and no cash.

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Re: Pedro Picasso shows up on Skins's island
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2008, 05:28:07 PM »
It only matters when the "offending act" (in this case, the DUmmy translation of seperation of Church and State) does not help the primitives -- when it does (e.g. - Rev. J. Jackson) there is no crime committed, even though by the letter of DUmmy law, the same crime has been committed.

Every time I read a thread like this, a single line from the Orwell classic Animal Farm comes to mind. "All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - This is the DU mantra, boiled down to just thirteen words.