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Offline lastparker

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The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« on: May 11, 2010, 12:32:53 PM »

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sinkingfeeling  (1000+ posts)        Tue May-11-10 12:36 PM
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Mojave cross at center of court fight reported stolen
 http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/11/mojave-cross-at-ce...

A war memorial shaped like a cross that has been at the center of a Supreme Court fight has been torn down by vandals from its remote desert perch, its caretakers said Tuesday.

Veterans groups that have been fighting for years to keep the cross on national park land say the 6-foot-tall metal structure was removed Sunday night from Sunrise Rock in a lonely stretch of the Mojave National Preserve.

The high court on April 28 ruled the cross did not violate the constitutional separation of church and state. The American Civil Liberties Union, which had brought the original lawsuit to have the cross removed, has promised to continue the court fight.

...after which a pciture of the monument, before the dirty rotten thievery.
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Orrex  (1000+ posts)        Tue May-11-10 12:36 PM
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1. Perhaps it ascended?
   
 
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msanthrope  (1000+ posts)      Tue May-11-10 12:46 PM
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7. Maybe the Rapture happened, and we didn't notice???? n/t
 
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HopeHoops  (1000+ posts)      Tue May-11-10 12:38 PM
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4. Maybe someone wanted to put it on the ceiling over their "love bed".
 You never know.

 
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(1000+ posts)        Tue May-11-10 12:45 PM
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6. Too bad. You do realize that now they'll move a giant 400 foot chrome cross,
 a mobile touch-down Jesus, a monument to the Ten Commandments, and a bust of Reagan to the site.
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msanthrope  (1000+ posts)      Tue May-11-10 12:52 PM
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10. Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch.....

after which a picture of what appears to be a papiermache Christ on the cross being towed on a trailer.

And then comes the Bugman:

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mike_c  (1000+ posts)        Tue May-11-10 12:38 PM
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3. good riddance ....
 Edited on Tue May-11-10 12:39 PM by mike_c
I love that park, and the mojave in general. That christian death/torture symbol was deeply disturbing in such a beautiful setting.

on edit: it's the people's land-- if someone could legally litter the place with it, then IMO someone else was just as justified picking up the trash.


I wonder if he has the balls to use that kind of hate while discussing the prophet muhammad.
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2010, 12:56:09 PM »
Quote from: lastparker on May 11, 2010, 12:32:53 PM

I wonder if he has the balls to use that kind of hate while discussing the prophet muhammad.

 :rotf: :rotf: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :rotf: :rotf: :-) oh my sides hurt.

The answer is HELL NO.....his balls would be about the size of a hydrogen atom.
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2010, 01:00:06 PM »
The land the cross was on was private property.
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2010, 01:21:54 PM »
They also had a thread on this in breaking news.  Only one person on each of these threads mentioned the rule of law, and the non-desirability of vigilantism.  Doused the fire. 

mike_c:  "pick up the trash."  I see.  You're in God's hands now.  Frank once said, "I don't get angry, I make God do that for me."  Seems fitting here. 
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2010, 01:25:00 PM »
Yep.  They love the rule of law when it comes to things like abortion and gay rights, but when it comes to the highest court in the land ruling against them, their will supplants the Court's will.

Note that the cross was covered with a wooden box for 10 years and its supporters left it alone while the cross's fate was played out in the courts.  It only took the cross's opponents 2 weeks to violate the high court ruling.
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2010, 02:02:56 PM »
The warm fire of Liberal tolerance.

Makes you want to use the cross like the Romans.
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 02:20:37 PM »
Quote from: FGL on May 11, 2010, 01:00:06 PM
The land the cross was on was private property.

Then how the hell did it get all the way to the Supreme Court...this is nuts. I really do hate mike_c. There's very few people I actually feel that way about.

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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 02:29:27 PM »
Quote from: delilahmused on May 11, 2010, 02:20:37 PM
Then how the hell did it get all the way to the Supreme Court...this is nuts. I really do hate mike_c. There's very few people I actually feel that way about.

Cindie

The act of transferring the land to private hands in order to "pass constitutional muster" was part of the court challenge.  It was public land when this started.
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2010, 02:41:04 PM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on May 11, 2010, 02:29:27 PM
The act of transferring the land to private hands in order to "pass constitutional muster" was part of the court challenge.  It was public land when this started.

I heard the cross was originally erected on private land, which was later transferred to public land....

The cross was "grandfathered in", so to speak....

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3. good riddance ....
 Edited on Tue May-11-10 12:39 PM by mike_c
I love that park, and the Mojave in general. That christian death/torture symbol was deeply disturbing in such a beautiful setting.


Not that it matters to Mikey, but the cross was a symbol of ROMAN torture, before Christ died on it....

I'm glad he enjoys the beautiful setting created by God.  Too bad he can't appreciate the "sculptor" of said beautiful setting....
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2010, 02:55:05 PM »
Quote from: diesel driver on May 11, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
I heard the cross was originally erected on private land, which was later transferred to public land....

The cross was "grandfathered in", so to speak....

Not that it matters to Mikey, but the cross was a symbol of ROMAN torture, before Christ died on it....

I'm glad he enjoys the beautiful setting created by God.  Too bad he can't appreciate the "sculptor" of said beautiful setting....

Am I getting my wires crossed?
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 03:06:30 PM »
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That christian death/torture symbol...

Actually that would be pagan, imperialist Rome.

The Christians co-opted the symbol as a reminder of overcoming death and worldly power.

Frankly, I'm befuddled more hippies don't embrace it.
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2010, 03:20:08 PM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on May 11, 2010, 02:55:05 PM
Am I getting my wires crossed?

That's what my understanding of this whole thing was.  The cross was erected as a WWI war memorial on private land before the land became a national park....

Naturally, the ACLU took offense to it....
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2010, 08:04:55 PM »
I actually have a couple of questions...first, why was the cross still covered with plywood?  Didn't SCOTUS settle that?  And second, WTH does the ACLU think they will continue this "fight"?
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2010, 08:31:02 PM »
I wonder if an atheist would be mad if one of their symbols were stolen, but then again, the only symbol an atheist has is the paper that the law suites are printed on. 

It just is amazing to me that people cannot at least respect the belief of others.  I am for sure agnostic.  But if I am at a event that has a moment of silence, I stand and show respect for others.  Having "In God We Trust" on currency does not send me into a catatonic stupor.  I would guess that 99% of these clowns that loudly proclaim their atheistic views are just drama queens looking for attention. 

And I for one would donate to the local VFW to replace the cross if that is what it takes.  Because taking it was wrong.
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Re: The Bugman praises the cross thieves.
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 05:54:18 AM »
Quote from: diesel driver on May 11, 2010, 03:20:08 PM
That's what my understanding of this whole thing was.  The cross was erected as a WWI war memorial on private land before the land became a national park....

Naturally, the ACLU took offense to it....

Yeah, you read the atheists/liberals take on it and you'd think that the land was always a national park owned by the government.  They seem to either don't know or don't admit that the cross predates the national park by decades.
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