People don't understand that it isn't the schools or the teachers that

[thundley4]

WCGreen   (1000+ posts)             Sun Mar-07-10 06:17 PM
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People don't understand that it isn't the schools or the teachers that...   
   
Edited on Sun Mar-07-10 06:19 PM by WCGreen
are causing the problems in large metro area such as Kansas City and Cleveland...

It is the flight to the Suburbs which, in and of itself, is the last tangible result of the highway system and therefore, the denuding of vast tracks of urban residential areas. These highways that criss crossed willy nilly throughout the cities destroyed the natural flow of neighborhoods so that all that was left was to move. Parishes were destroyed, schools were cut off from their student base, shopping areas were isolated from their customers...

All of it pushed even more people to the burbs.

What was left; the poor and the racial minorities. And since these are the groups in our society with the least amount of political power, they were forced to deal with the after effects of white flight and destroyed urban living patterns.

So yea, lets blame the teachers and the parents left in the urban areas for 50 years of suburbanization. It's the white thing to do...

On edit. This doesn't mean that the people left are absolved for what they do to perpetuate the situation, it just goes to point out that the cards they were left to deal with were and continue to be stacked against them...

I posted this in another thread and though that it might stand as a thread on it's own...

  http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7864896

Which came first, integration and degradation of schools or white flight?

rfranklin   (1000+ posts)             Sun Mar-07-10 06:24 PM
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1. There's always a racial subtext to the attacks on public schools...
   
And so many of these "charter schools" are just a way to evade the problems by excluding certain types of people.

You  idiot, many charter schools are predominantly minority students. Any attack is towards the liberal policy of throwing dollar after dollar at problems that never get solved.

CaliforniaPeggy   (1000+ posts)             Sun Mar-07-10 06:33 PM
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2. The powers that be were going to put a freeway right through
   
the neighborhood that I grew up in.

My parents and many others organized a huge group to fight it, and they won. The freeway went someplace else.

Our neighborhood stayed intact, with its schools and shopping centers too.

But ours was an upper-middle class neighborhood. Poorer areas are disadvantaged when it comes to this sort of thing. They don't have the tools or the know-how to know how to proceed. Often they are renters too, so their stakes in this sort of thing are fewer.

Stupid Piggy from Cali, that isn't what the OP meant.  Freeways and highways made it easier for people to commute, not that they literally displaced people.

anonymous171   (1000+ posts)             Sun Mar-07-10 06:37 PM
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4. NO! It's because those dirty poor people do not respect education enough!
*sarcasm smiley*

Too bad that is closer to the truth.

WCGreen   (1000+ posts)             Sun Mar-07-10 06:46 PM
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9. Look at all the intellectuals and fine minds that came out of the   
   
schools of New York. The newest Justice of the Supreme Court is a good example to start with...

Sotomayor? 

FarCenter (1000+ posts)           Sun Mar-07-10 06:55 PM
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10. Sonia Sotomayor is a product of the New York parochial school system
   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor

"For grammar school, Sotomayor attended the parochial Blessed Sacrament School in Soundview,<25> where she was valedictorian and had a near-perfect attendance record. ... Sotomayor passed the entrance tests for, then commuted to, the academically rigorous parochial Cardinal Spellman High School in the Bronx."

My opinion of parochial schools just went down.

[Duchess]

It didn't matter what school she went to, she was always a perfect affirmative action poster child and benefited as such. Her academic performance and intelligence didn't have squat to do with anything.

And I want to see anyone in an American government just try to make me live where I don't choose to live amongst people I don't choose to live amongst in order to enact one of their "social experiments" in further dumbing down the culture. They've already destroyed most public schools with that mess.

[GOBUCKS]

The socialists guaranteed the final destruction of urban schools and urban neighborhoods when they came up with the idea of forced busing. It's the most visible accomplishment of the democrat party. The few urban enclaves of wealth simply sent their kids to private schools, and everyone else jumped on the freeway out of town. No one who can afford otherwise wants their kids in a school with the children of democrats.

[The Village Idiot]

And I want to see anyone in an American government just try to make me live where I don't choose to live amongst people I don't choose to live amongst in order to enact one of their "social experiments" in further dumbing down the culture. They've already destroyed most public schools with that mess.

We should all move out to the country and built compounds. heh

[Lord Undies]

Why should I feel guilty about or compelled to throw money towards those who drove me away from the city?  

It doesn't make any sense.  I didn't leave for some baseless prejudice reasons.  I left because of solid evidence.  My kids were being forced to wade in pure cultural trash.  

[GOBUCKS]

We should all move out to the country and built compounds. heh

Uh..we've already done that.

[USA4ME]

WCGreen

People don't understand that it isn't the schools or the teachers that are causing the problems in large metro area such as Kansas City and Cleveland...

It is the flight to the Suburbs....

If you're under some weird illusion that if people hadn't fled to the suburbs that inner city schools wouldn't have the same problems they're having now, you haven't been paying attention.  Besides, if people had stayed in the inner city, you'd be complaining that the poor and the racial minorities were being shoved out to the suburbs.  Can't keep quacks like you happy, so why even try.

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[Airwolf]

The inner city school have had a ong history of being just above a "Lord of the Flies" kind of situation. You get kids,no matter their race ,acting like they run the place and a school that lets them then guess what happenes. Your going to have major problems. Also the same thing happenes when the parents give up and leave the kids to their own devices as many poor familes have done and the same thing goes on. All you have to do is see what goes on and why when the cops are busting little johnny for a crime and if the parents do show up they are the first to scream their kid is innocent or the cops are racist. Same wit hthe teachers that try to keep control in the schools. 

[shadeaux]

C-Peg is an airhead.  I cannot believe that woman was once a nurse.

WCGreen is a nut.  Pure and simple, a nut.  He even looks crazy.

He strolls down memory lane often at the DUmp.  C-Peg always answers his posts but he never replies to hers.

He mentions St. Ignatious High School

Here in Cleveland, St. Ignatius High school is smack in the middle of an urban area that has been in slow decline for decades. It is an excellent school and draws students from the suburbs because of its strive to prepare their students to be the best. It also reaches out to those around and has a lot of slots open for the kids in the neighborhood.

Must be an all white neighborhood because all I see in the picture on their website is white boys.

http://www.ignatius.edu/s/237/home.aspx

If he's making a point about racial disparity in public, urban or inner city schools being left to decay because of white flight, he should have chosen a more colorful school don't you think ?

Or am I being a C-Peg airhead myself ?   

[blitzkrieg_17]

My father grew up not far from that neighborhood and went to Ignatius. We moved out of Cleveland before I was school age,and for good reason.

[Karin]

Did anybody else hear a radio ad a few months back, probably paid for by taxpayer funds, trying to convince us all to move to more "diverse" neighborhoods?  I don't have it verbatim, so let me paraphrase:

Little kid:  Daddy, how come our neighborhood doesn't look like my school?
Dad:  What do you mean, honey?
LK:  We have all sorts of different people at my school.  All colors and types.  Our neighborhood all seems the same.
Dad:  Why, you're right, honey! 
Voiceover:  Diversity in neighborhoods.  Give it a chance, won't you?

Or some such drivel.  It was puke-inducing and a complete waste of money, dreamt up by some liberal moonbat whacko. 

[Wineslob]

Danm the DUmmies are being DUmb.
You stupid airheads, I got my kid out of "public" school and into a Charter because of the Fed/State mandated testing that dictates that the public school does nothing more than teach the kids how to pass the tests. If they don't have good scoring they lose money. Hows that for education system?
Mine was a C student at best in the public school, now she's an A student.


DUmmies please explain.

[IassaFTots]

Danm the DUmmies are being DUmb.
You stupid airheads, I got my kid out of "public" school and into a Charter because of the Fed/State mandated testing that dictates that the public school does nothing more than teach the kids how to pass the tests. If they don't have good scoring they lose money. Hows that for education system?
Mine was a C student at best in the public school, now she's an A student.


DUmmies please explain.

My SIL was a public school teacher, in a NICE suburban area, and quit when she got pregnant.  My niece goes to a private school that doesn't teach to the test, even though she could have walked directly across the street to the very school my SIL taught at. 

[The Village Idiot]

Little kid:  Daddy, how come our neighborhood doesn't look like my school?
Dad:  What do you mean, honey?
LK:  We have all sorts of different people at my school.  All colors and types.  Our neighborhood all seems the same.
Dad:  Why, you're right, honey! 
Voiceover:  Diversity in neighborhoods.  Give it a chance, won't you?

Or some such drivel.  It was puke-inducing and a complete waste of money, dreamt up by some liberal moonbat whacko. 

Probably funded by taxpayers too

[Ralph Wiggum]

Lamenting the fact that we build highways and its impact?  Jeez, do these morons really want to go back to the horse & buggy days?  Oh no, that would be cruel to animals and the horses farting would contribute to global warming.