sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:35 PM
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Robbery Victim's Family Say They're "Sorry" Baby Died in Shooting
http://www.kfsm.com/news/kfsm-news-rv-baby-shot-robbery...
"A one-year-old baby who was shot Saturday during a robbery in Roland has died.
Meanwhile, two people are in custody in connection with the robbery Saturday afternoon. 19-year-old Michael Clemente of Fort Smith turned himself in to authorities on Sunday, while Fort Smith Police arrested a 17-year-old male Monday afternoon.
Sheriff Ron Lockhart said the two of them broke into a home north of Roland and attacked 21-year-old Devin Jeremiah, stealing guns, cash and other items in the process.
When his two attackers tried to flee, Jeremiah was recovered enough to fire several shots at their car with a .22 rifle. Lockhart said the car's driver was a Fort Smith woman, and her one-year-old daughter, Keene, was in the back seat. Keene was struck by at least one of the bullets that hit the car, and Lockhart said the people in the car headed to Sparks Hospital in Fort Smith. The suspects reportedly threw out the stolen items as they went."
I'm sure the items stolen and recovered were much more valuable than the little girl.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7826363I am sorry the baby was killed, but to blame the robbery victim is wrong. This is no different than the Islamic terrorists hiding behind women and children. Those involved with committing the robbery, including the mother driving the car should be charged with murder.
1. What kind of people would take a one year old baby along on a robbery?
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 12:41 PM by TwilightGardener
The dude was wrong for firing shots at the car, but really...a baby in the getaway car?
KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:41 PM
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3. I'm going to take a wild guess that drugs are involved.
TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:42 PM
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6. Probably they were all strung out. I agree.
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:42 PM
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5. Violent criminals
Stupid ones.
mike_c (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:41 PM
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4. without guns, Jeremiah would have a bloody nose or whatever...
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 12:43 PM by mike_c
...some of his stuff would be lost, and Keene would be alive. Add the guns so he could "defend" himself from fleeing people and suddenly a little girl is killed.
Yes, there are bad motives and awful judgement aplenty to go around. But the fact remains, no one needed to die in this dispute, and no one would have died if the shooter did not have a gun at hand. His pride would have suffered a bit.
dmallind (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:44 PM
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9. No-one would have died had they not robbed his house either. NT
rfranklin (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:50 PM
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14. Yeah, that sure relieves the shooter of any blame...
Are you serious?
dmallind (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:55 PM
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19. It relieves him of being the root cause, absolutely.
He was shooting people no longer a risk to his life or safety - bad idea. Already said so. Illegal too.
But it's FAR more valid to say he wouldn't have been put at risk at all had the criminals not decided to rob him.
Hypotheitical question: Had the robbers still been an active threat and had the one year old in arms, should he not have the right to defend himself at all? If so then all future attackers and burglars will simply carry kids to be safe from armed resistance. His wrongdoing is clear, but it was in response to their initial crime. Why do you think otherwise?
WonderGrunion (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:47 PM
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11. All of them should spend time in jail.
The robbery victim for involuntary manslaughter. The robbers for robbery and contributing to the death of a minor.
Not the robbery victim.
Romulox (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:48 PM
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13. Mom (wheelman) should be charged with homicide under basic conspiracy laws...
The death of her child was a foreseeable consequence of her participation in the conspiracy, so the mother as well as the burglars should all be charged with negligent homicide.
onehandle (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:52 PM
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15. Guns > Babies.
We have a room full of people who vote for guns over all.
You have a board full of people that believe in choice over the life of children.
Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:56 PM
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20. The guy didn't know there was a baby in the getaway car, did he?
I mean, who in their right mind, would bring along a toddler to commit a potentially violent felony?
Some drug addled DUmmie?
onenote (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 12:54 PM
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17. question for those putting blame on the guy who was robbed and attacked
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 12:56 PM by onenote
Let's say instead of shooting at the fleeing robbers, he simply was chasing after them waving his gun. In her panic, the driver of the getaway car loses control, flips the car, and the baby dies.
Or maybe the person robbed and attacked was chasing them with big rock in his hand and when he threw at the car the same thing happened.
Or maybe the person robbed didn't do anything and the person driving the car loses control and wrecks the car, killing the baby.
Seems to me that the one thing in common about these scenarios is that its the idiots who robbed and attacked the guy who put the baby in harms way.
By the way, I'm a big supporter of gun control. But I'm not going to advocate jailing the victim of a violent crime under the circumstances described.
You bring reason to the debate. Thread killer.
