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Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« on: January 21, 2010, 11:40:18 AM »
 
   
 
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Pelosi: House lacks votes to pass Senate healthcare reform bill
By Jordan Fabian and Michael O'Brien - 01/21/10 11:24 AM ET
House Democrats lack enough votes to pass the Senate's healthcare bill, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday.

Pelosi threw cold water on the idea that the House could muster enough support to pass the Senate's bill, which includes a number of provisions liberals in the House find distasteful.

"I don't see the votes for it at this time," Pelosi told reporters during her weekly press conference. "The members have been very clear."

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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 11:52:11 AM »
Good. Back to the drawing board with the  :censored: HCR.  Maybe this time they could try and reform health care instead of screwing the pooch, but I doubt it.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 11:55:13 AM »
Well how bout them apples?
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2010, 12:05:20 PM »
HA HA!



























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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2010, 12:11:54 PM »
Sucks to be you doesn't it :tongue:
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2010, 12:14:28 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on January 21, 2010, 11:55:13 AM
Well how bout them apples?

Great news. That picture of her is priceless; looks like someone shoved a corn cob up her rump.  :tongue: :fuelfire: :cheersmate:
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2010, 12:37:16 PM »
I'm not so sure this is good news. The Wicked Bitch of the West isn't giving up.

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It's Reconciliation (Update) »
BY MICHAEL MCAULIFF

A well-informed source tells The Mouth Nancy Pelosi is set to announce the House will go the reconciliation route on health care reform.

Of course, that means using a budgetary procedure that requires a simple majority to pass.

It’s still unclear to us precisely what that means would be passed, but possibilities would be creating a national health care exchange and expanding Medicare or Medicaid coverage.

Democrats are caucusing now, so stay tuned.

Update: A second source confirms that Pelosi is presenting a reconciliation plan to the caucus, and making sure they go with something that can actually pass.

Separately, she is meeting with Harry Reid today.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/01/its-reconciliation.html#ixzz0dH1TEzSA
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2010, 12:43:54 PM »
oh make no bones about it....she'll pull every trick in the book.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2010, 12:47:32 PM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on January 21, 2010, 12:43:54 PM
oh make no bones about it....she'll pull every trick in the book.

And if she tries this crap, then conservatives need to beat her over the head with it. It's just as dishonest as trying to forestall Brown being seated so they could ram a bill through.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2010, 01:00:29 PM »
^totally agree.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2010, 01:07:10 PM »
 Hahahahahahahahaha.
 
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That picture of her is priceless; looks like someone shoved a corn cob up her rump

She always looks like that, like someone goosed her.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2010, 01:31:47 PM »
Quote from: SilverOrchid on January 21, 2010, 01:07:10 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha.
 
She always looks like that, like someone goosed her.


I think that's because she's had her face lifted so many times, her ears touch in the back.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2010, 02:03:59 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on January 21, 2010, 12:37:16 PM
I'm not so sure this is good news. The Wicked Bitch of the West isn't giving up.


I'm sure they will try some such crap.  It will stand against them in November if they do.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2010, 02:04:33 PM »
Dick Morris was explaining on O'Reilly last night....if I understood him correctly....that the only way the current health care bill in the Senate...that has already been passed to work...is for the House to pass it exactly as it is currently in the Senate.

Any change the House would make to it, would require the bill to go back to the Senate, and then be voted on again.

Is that right? Or wrong?  :confused:

And I didn't understand the "nuclear holocaust" they kept referring to....except that it would be a really bad thing for the Dems to try to do.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2010, 05:09:30 PM »
Poor dear ... bee-itch.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2010, 05:45:39 PM »
Quote from: debk on January 21, 2010, 02:04:33 PM
Dick Morris was explaining on O'Reilly last night....if I understood him correctly....that the only way the current health care bill in the Senate...that has already been passed to work...is for the House to pass it exactly as it is currently in the Senate.

Any change the House would make to it, would require the bill to go back to the Senate, and then be voted on again.

Is that right? Or wrong?  :confused:

And I didn't understand the "nuclear holocaust" they kept referring to....except that it would be a really bad thing for the Dems to try to do.

IIRC, that's correct.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2010, 09:32:34 PM »
In the immortal words of Beavis, "da@#it, da@#it, son of a b!tch". 
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2010, 06:20:19 AM »
Who would of guessed that it would be non other than Nancy Pelosi to deliver my bestest Birthday present...LOL.. Made getting older less painful.
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Re: Pelosi: We don't have the votes to pass Senate Bill
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2010, 08:36:56 AM »
Quote from: debk on January 21, 2010, 02:04:33 PM
Dick Morris was explaining on O'Reilly last night....if I understood him correctly....that the only way the current health care bill in the Senate...that has already been passed to work...is for the House to pass it exactly as it is currently in the Senate.

Any change the House would make to it, would require the bill to go back to the Senate, and then be voted on again.

Is that right? Or wrong?  :confused:

And I didn't understand the "nuclear holocaust" they kept referring to....except that it would be a really bad thing for the Dems to try to do.

Normally, yeah, that is how it works.  There are a couple of possible dodges left in the bag of tricks, though.  One would be to actually amend the Senate rules on filibuster, but off-hand I think that might require more than 60, though even if it did, the Dem Senators would not be unanimously for it because some of them would have the foresight to see that what goes around comes around, and they could live to regret that.

The other trick is that a limited class of bills, tax and possibly fiscal ones I think, do not come back to the floor for debate in the Senate after reconciliation, they just get an up or down vote.  It would obviously be a travesty to try to wedge this abomination of a bill and all it does into the description of that limited exception (Though bits of it would probably fit), but the entire procedure, like filibuster, is a creature of the Senate's own rules so I don't think it could actually be challenged in court until it was a done deal, and even afterward the outcome of a legal challenge would be a total crapshoot for reasons that could fill a 20-page legal brief.

Either one would probably be suicidal for the Dems in November's Congressional elections, but so far they haven't lacked for hubris.  I don't think they'd be able to keep all their Senators together to do either one of these, at some point out of 60 of them, a few will have the basic sense of self-preservation to step away from it.  The trick with reconciliation is the most likely since they wouldn't need to keep all 60 on board for that one.     
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