http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7385536Oh my.
The last two-thirds of the campfire's a primitive brawl about the military.
goclark (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:19 PM
Original message
No Food Carts in the Aisles for Planes!
Nothing should block the aisles!
Please forgive me for being stuck like glue to my experience flying on North West Airlines in late Nov. 2001.
See my link...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
I was on South West about six months ago and I loved it.
They gave us a bag of peanuts and a cookie. That's fine with me. I don't want ANYTHING at ANYTIME to block me from reporting/getting out of the way of a suspicious person or incident.
I believe that there should be a PASSENGER'S BILL OF RIGHTS for Security on Planes.
Who is with me?
babylonsister (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:24 PM
THE BABBLING SISTER PRIMITIVE
Response to Original message
1. Not me. Have you ever taken a flight that lasts about 12+ hours?
You might reconsider that position.
I refuse to be terrorized out of flying, too.
SPedigrees (769 posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. Ditto here.
I will never fly again, but it isn't for fear of foreign terrorists. It's grave dissatisfaction with the crappy service, being packed into seats like sardines with nothing to eat, the possibility of being detained in a plane on the tarmack for an infinite number of hours or days, and having my person and my possessions rifled through by security personnel (the most likely terrorists to be encountered at an airport.)
Atman (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:42 PM
PEDRO PICASSO; #11 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #1
6. My flight to Hong Kong lasted 15+ hours...very little "food service."
We got a menu when we got onboard and could select our meals. The rolling carts only came down the aisles a couple of times. They carried our meals to us an armload at a time. Anything else you wanted you could get, from snacks to sandwiches to cognac and cocktails -- you just had to get up and walk to the galley, where they had baskets of fruit, cheese and crackers, snacks, even noodle soup. I guess they figured it was way easier than going to every passenger on a big-ass Airbus (half of whom were sleeping anyway). I don't really see a need for the rolling cart on smaller planes if they can manage so well on the giant ones, but I still disagree with your premise. I refuse to be scared.
babylonsister (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:38 PM
THE BABBLING SISTER PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #6
13. My premise-
"I refuse to be terrorized out of flying, too."
Atman (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 06:14 PM
PEDRO PICASSO; #11 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #13
30. I replied to the wrong post.
Sorry, babylon! I'm new here...I'll get the hang of this DU thing one of these days.
uppityperson (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 08:29 PM
DOROTHY, THE SNOBBISH PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #30
34. Member since Oct 09th 2003 = "new"? Well, welcome to DU!
Whoa.
Pedro Picasso joined Skins's island the same day franksolich, after years of lurking, finally registered at freerepublic.
Now, how weird is that?
uppityperson (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 08:27 PM
DOROTHY, THE SNOBBISH PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #6
33. what airline was that? I like flying SAS to Europe as they have great service.
But not as good as that.
goclark (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. Yes I have, many times , my trip to Japan comes to mind
In fact, there was a extremely ill man in back of me for the entire time we had the flight.
He was on a hospital bed and oxygen.
As far as South West goes, my flights have been very nice
So I might have a different view ~
WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
17. Hey Sis, can you imagine a flight to Asia without food service?
Worse yet, while the babbling sister primitive's of considerable heft, imagine what the gigantic primitive would go through, on a 15-hour flight with no food service; he'd probably start chewing on his fellow passengers.
babylonsister (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 04:24 PM
THE BABBLING SISTER PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #17
26. Nope. Not even!
xultar (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #1
23. +600.000 No shit. WTF is wrong with people?
iris27 (456 posts) Sun Jan-03-10 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
27. The TSA and airlines are the ones who've terrorized me out of flying, not crazy ****s with bombs. The risk of your plane being attacked by a terrorist is still less than the risk of dying in a plain old run-of-the-mill car wreck, so I take a George-Carlin-esque attitude toward it all and say "**** it, live a little!"
HOWEVER...the insane invasive things done in the name of "security" over the last 9 years have completely killed the experience of flying for me. I stopped taking Accutane as a young adult plagued with acne because I was tired of the FDA's iPLEDGE system and their 1,001 questions about the state of my uterus.
Similarly, I refuse to fly because of each successive layer of bullshit they've put in place - first 'secondary screenings', then the liquid rules, and now this stuck in your seat for the last hour crap. I will gladly take the extra time to drive somewhere if it means I can have a book open on my lap (as the passenger), a cooler full of drinks in the backseat, and not take a chance of anyone having to feel up inside my bra.
Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:27 PM
Response to Original message
2. No thanks.
I'm tired of being threatened and scared into a permanent police state. **** the crotch bombers. How about we carry on with our lives and try to get back to a normal life instead?
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:28 PM
THE DIE ALTE SAU, THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Original message
3. I always have to go to the bathroom when they have that damn cart in the aisle
So I agree!
goclark (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #3
10. Thank you! It makes no sense to me to have the food cart because most of the time the food is not that good and the trouble that the Cart causes is really not necessary.
I still hope to hear other options for Passenger Safety and Input while flying.
Thanks for understanding.
bridgit (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:28 PM
Response to Original message
4. Unworkable, too many moving parts - easier to simply believe there is no al-Q threat
Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:49 PM
Response to Original message
7. No, that's just dumb.
A food cart is not a security threat. Plus you can always move the opposite direction from the cart and cross over at a different location if need be.
uppityperson (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 08:30 PM
DOROTHY, THE SNOBBISH PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #7
35. I have been blocked in, carts approaching from both ends.
Makes it a real pain to get to the toilet when the plane has only one aisle.
Well, maybe if Dorothy laid off the booze while in the air, she wouldn't need to rush to the back of the airplane so many times.
Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. Oh, the horror.
uppityperson (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-04-10 12:08 AM
DOROTHY, THE SNOBBISH PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #37
41. Let me tell you, when you gotta go, and you can't get there, it can be horrible for all
eyeroll back at you
arcadian (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 02:57 PM
Response to Original message
8. South West sucks ass
I don't like for my flight to be politicized by having the gate announcers and flight attendants let the "troops" board first and then rallying a round of applause for military actions I don't agree with. I won't be flying with them ever again.
Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. I disagree with your comment.
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#18 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #12
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #14
28. A bit mean spirited comment
I happen to like SW Airlines, but whatever works for you.
Your response was in any case exceptionally rude.
goclark (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. To each his own~ I was just using SW as an example of the ability to fly in a plane without serving food and blocking the aisles.
My post was not in anyway to discuss their political views.
I'm addressing the Security and Passenger input for ALL airlines.
WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. Continental does that too, as do other airlines
oh well, looks like you're going to have to take the bus....
Quite frankly, I think those who serve in the military should board first.
HelenWheels (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. What are you thinking?
Give me one good reason why those who serve in the military should board first.
WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #19
29. What are YOU thinking?
Seriously. You think people who give of their time & sometimes their lives to serve our country don't deserve something as simple as boarding a plane first? Just how ****ing selfish are you anyway?
HelenWheels (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. You aren't thinking
How does boarding a plane first become a reward? Pretty silly. And I don't appreciated being called "****ing selfish". Find a better way to express yourself.
WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Pardon me, I wasn't the one getting my panties in a bunch over military personnel getting to board an aircraft first. And yes, boarding first IS a reward--if it weren't, why would the airlines let first class & elite passengers board before anyone else?
So yeah, if you think they don't deserve to board first, which is such a small gesture anyway, you are ****ing selfish.
Bluebear (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-04-10 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #19
38. They do that on Veteran's Day only, actually.
Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #8
20. Without your ticket, there goes the profit for this year.
arcadian (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. That and all the bad PR
MindPilot (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #8
36. That's a hell of an improvement from when I was in the military.
We had to wear civilian clothes whenever we traveled or even went off-base.
Glad you will be flying **** the Troops Airways; that's a little more overhead bin space for me.
tammywammy (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-04-10 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #8
40. You'll hate this then
My friend is in the military, Air Force, and on a diplomatic tour. When he flies back to the US, he can skip the security line. When they ask for his ID and ticket, they see he has a diplomatic passport (and before this tour, his military ID) and they let him skip to the front of the line. He says he doesn't usually do that, he waits his turn, unless he's arrived at the airport late.
And he can check his bags for free.
HelenWheels (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-04-10 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. They used favoritism with the officer who shot up the army base. They didn't search this guy or his car and looked what happened. Everyone should go through the security line.
Kickin_Donkey (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:36 PM
Response to Original message
11. This is pure silliness. Your attitude is what is grossly wrong ... with America.
Glenn Greenwald said it:
I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but David Brooks actually had an excellent column in yesterday's New York Times that makes several insightful and important points. Brooks documents how "childish, contemptuous and hysterical" the national reaction has been to this latest terrorist episode, egged on -- as usual -- by the always-hysterical American media.
The citizenry has been trained to expect that our Powerful Daddies and Mommies in government will -- in that most cringe-inducing, child-like formulation -- Keep Us Safe. Whenever the Government fails to do so, the reaction -- just as we saw this week -- is an ugly combination of petulant, adolescent rage and increasingly unhinged cries that More Be Done to ensure that nothing bad in the world ever happens.
Demands that genuinely inept government officials be held accountable are necessary and wise, but demands that political leaders ensure that we can live in womb-like Absolute Safety are delusional and destructive. Yet this is what the citizenry screams out every time something threatening happens: please, take more of our privacy away; monitor more of our communications; ban more of us from flying; engage in rituals to create the illusion of Strength; imprison more people without charges; take more and more control and power so you can Keep Us Safe.
This is what inevitably happens to a citizenry that is fed a steady diet of fear and terror for years. It regresses into pure childhood. The 5-year-old laying awake in bed, frightened by monsters in the closet, who then crawls into his parents' bed to feel Protected and Safe, is the same as a citizenry planted in front of the television, petrified by endless imagery of scary Muslim monsters, who then collectively crawl to Government and demand that they take more power and control in order to keep them Protected and Safe.
A citizenry drowning in fear and fixated on Safety to the exclusion of other competing values can only be degraded and depraved.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/01/02
Now grow up and quit being a ninny.
goclark (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. I am grown and I will always be an advocate for issues that I care about.
End of this discussion.
Neecy (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 03:42 PM
Response to Original message
18. And what would you have the flight attendants do?
How would you do a beverage service on a widebody jet without a cart? Are they supposed to gather up 350 drinks in their arms and run up and down the aisle? It's just not possible.
You can always push the cart out of the way if you want to tackle a terrorist. It's not an immovable object.
neverforget (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 04:04 PM
Response to Original message
22. No people on airplanes. Problem solved.
xultar (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-03-10 04:13 PM
Response to Original message
24. No one is with you on this because your idea is quite silly. Maybe you should consider bus or train travel.
Let the rest of us who fly have some sort of comfort in this effed up society.
smalll (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-04-10 12:03 AM
Response to Original message
39. You know, I'm starting to warm to the TSA over-reaction to the underwear bomber --
Stick it to all you over-paid, over-weight, weak-bladdered, upper-middle-class Macbook owners who flit around this country to do nothing of consequence? BRING IT ON!
Oh no! I won't be able to eat, or piss, or use my Airbook in the last hour of flight! HOW WILL I SURVIVE!?!?!?
