http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6921410Oh my.
The cross-eyed Iowa primitive, now living in Colorado, who's a pretty hefty guy and four-eyed too:
Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:16 PM
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Note to Rahm and his DLC ilk - You can thank yourselves for NJ and VA losses
And throwing Dean under the bus.
****ers.
I'll take Dean's 50 state strategy over Rahm's Me-first strategy.
ingac70 (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:17 PM
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1. Bad candidates don't help.
Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:19 PM
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4. In VA - the Dem primary was Deeds, McAuliffe, and Moran.
I would have chosen Moran over McAwful and Deeds.
But the cross-eyed Iowa primitive isn't a Democrat in Virginia.
Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:19 PM
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2. NJ and VA had 2 suck ass Democratic candidates.
Deeds ran away from Obama early on during the race and tried to act like he wasn't a Democrat. He was also against the public option.
And Corzine screwed himself.
That has nothing to do with Dean's 50 state strategy.
progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:19 PM
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3. Actually, you can thank Corzine for the NJ loss. He was an AWFUL candidate.
I mean.. I would have stayed home from voting had I been living in NJ. Both of those candidates you mention were weak... it's not the DLC sometimes... it's candidates.
tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:40 PM
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14. who should have been primaried
tritsofme (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:21 PM
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5. Incredibly stupid post.
These elections have nothing to do with Dean or Emanuel.
The rich kid the grazing primitive:
jgraz (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:23 PM
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6. The fact that Repukes can win a race for dogcatcher should be an embarrassment to Dems
Seriously, how can anyone lose to a Republican after the last 8 years?
notesdev (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:27 PM
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7. bingo
After the royal mess the GOP left, if people are voting for them again so quickly the Dems must really, really suck. Where are the primary challenges?
Ms. Ed, the unappellated eohippus, who some time ago was demoted to
drek primitivity:
Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-04-09 03:44 PM
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20. because we had a mandate that we have sliced and diced into the narrowest of a thin majority that is weak-kneed and knobby.
It takes real talent to do that.
If I hired someone and gave them the tools they needed to build a highly engineered state of the art airplane and then they worked behind closed doors for 9 months and then presented me with a cheap paper airplane in return, you can bet your ass I wouldn't vote for more of the same.
And that is what has happened.
We had a ****ing mandate. We had political capital. Every bit was wasted and I don't even ****ing have a pile of shit OR a pony to show for it.
w4rma (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:28 PM
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8. Dean would have been better as DNC chair for Deeds and VA for at least one reason: Gov. Kaine could have spent more time in VA campaigning for Deeds.
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:30 PM
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9. OFA has staff in every state except WY & UT
There is still a 50 state strategy.
But without volunteers, it won't beat a right wing media.
The Leona Helmsley of DUmmieland, who lives in New Jersey but claims Florida as her residence for obvious financial reasons:
flyarm (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:31 PM
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10. I believe Corzines Goldman Sach's ties killed him in NJ and it is a loud reaction to the Goldman boys in this White House.
I belong to a large dem club in NJ and I will tell you there is huge anger here and I don't care what the media and pundits tell you..lots of Dems stayed home as a protest. Many dems I know here, lifelong liberals and progressives said they weren't going to vote and they said ..there is no difference..why bother.( I heard this so often the past 3 weeks, I couldn't keep count of it! and I heard it across the board..in restaurants and in line at the grocery store)
I live in two states, this is not my voting state ..so I was not involved in the vote in NJ , but I was a guest Corzines inauguration when he won this state...as in the past I worked hard in politics in the state of NJ. The atmosphere is distinctly changed among active democrats I know here. There is much anger, at taxes, unemployment, and health care, and national debt...the middle class is feeling a huge squeeze on everything across the board. All the car dealerships near me have closed down as have many retail stores. People can not find jobs, no matter how qualified they are.
Take heed Democratic party..people are angry, they are worried about their jobs, they are worried about their mortgages, and they are damn pissed off at the payoffs to the big boys while their problems are ignored.
White House , ignore your base at your own peril!
girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-04-09 02:45 PM
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15. I wish I could rec your post.
You hit the nail on the head.
eleny (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:32 PM
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11. I've been thinking about this all evening
The MookieWilson primitive, who might, or might not, be a dyke:
Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:34 PM
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12. This has NOTHING to do with Emanuel. Sorry. Blame him for something else.
Leona again:
flyarm (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-03-09 11:38 PM
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13. It has alot to do with Rahm, but he is not the boss..it is the base being ignored!
and the fear among people of the national debt going through the roof and the people not feeling the help that the big boys on wall street have gotten. Many people I know dem and repub alike are pissed.
sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-04-09 03:31 PM
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17. For many Democrts it has a lot to do with the DLC/Rahm Emanuel take-over, or rather hand-over of the party after it was Dean's strategy that actually worked. Why was Dean not given a role in the administration? He did far more to get Obama elected than Rahm, who sat on the sidelines because of his ties to the Clintons?
People are not blind. When a party deserts its base, the base or a good part of it, will eventually desert the party.
Rahm E. and his wing of the party have let their disdain for the base of the party be known for too many times. I could find quotes, but they're not that hard to look up. Maybe political operatives expect these tactics, but there are simply not enough of them to vote a party in or out.
Corzine should have easily won that race, but his ties to Goldman Sachs and the party's apparent blindness to the anger there is towards the crooks who tore this country down while profiting from it, made it a guaranteed loss.
Yet, the WH has embraced these same people who were a huge part of the problem. Those appointments, Summers, Geithner, Rahm Emanuel, the retention of Bush's appointee, Bernanke, and the caving in to Goldman Sachs' Henry Paulson, had a huge negative effect on those who worked so hard to get Obama elected.
Have they ever explained this betrayal? I haven't heard one word from Obama about why he has sought out these people. It was just done.
It has taught me that from now on I will want a list of people a candidate intends to install in his/her cabinet before I support them.
Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-04-09 02:46 PM
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16. Yeah, he should have just waved his magical "make the candidates not be shit" wand.
You know they hand those out at the secret DLC meetings where they all drink the blood of Samuel Gompers.
sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-04-09 03:36 PM
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18. He has a record of choosing the worst candidates and working against the best when he DID have his hand in it. And his egotistical refusal to acknowledge that his strategy was a failure in terms of getting a majority, not working to win in various states eg, and that it was Dean's 50 state strategy that did work.
He's pretty much despised by a majority of Democrats, I mean the ones who vote. He was a very, very bad choice for COS and could end up helping to make this a one-term presidency with his 'ignore the base' philosophy.
Ms. Ed again:
Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-04-09 03:40 PM
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19. Rahm is a piece of shit
His placement in the administration served merely as a warning that we were going to be told to eat shit sandwiches, and like it.
MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-04-09 03:54 PM
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21. I will agree with you that pushing Dean aside was the stupidest move the party has done in a long time.
I still think being associated with Goldman Sachs in this environment made Corrizine toxic.
