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Bill Clinton nixed wife's VP chances: Obama campaign manager
« on: October 29, 2009, 03:10:03 PM »
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1932963,00.html

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We always knew this day was going to be a pain in the ass. Coming right off the exhaustion and exhilaration of our convention week and VP pick, we would have to jump right in and deal with theirs. But [Sarah] Palin was a bolt of lightning, a true surprise. She was such a long shot, I didn't even have her research file on my computer, as I did for the likely McCain picks. I started Googling her, refreshing my memory while I waited for our research to be sent.

Her story was original: small-town mayor takes on the Establishment and wins a governor's race; she was an avid hunter, sportswoman and athlete, and her husband was a champion snowmobiler; she had just given birth to a child with Down syndrome. A profile out of a novel, I thought.

But here she was, joining our real-life drama. And given her life story, coupled with the surprise nature of her selection, her entrance to the race would be nothing short of a phenomenon. But I also thought it was a downright bizarre, ill-considered and deeply puzzling choice. The one thing every voter knew about John McCain's campaign at this point was that it had been shouting from the rooftops that Barack Obama lacked the experience to be President.

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 didn't disagree but thought backtracking would only add to the sense in the press that perhaps Palin was a brilliant game-changing pick that had scrambled the race. Even the famously disciplined Obama campaign can't get its story straight — this would be the blowback. "Look," I told him, "simply say that you're adding your own personal voice, one principal to another." He acknowledged that he understood and would watch his words. "We'll send out a personal statement from you and Biden," I said, "but it's important you not suggest we misfired on the original statement. Don't throw the campaign under the bus."

But when he took a few questions from the press later that day, he proceeded to drive the bus right over us. "I think that, you know, campaigns start getting these hair triggers, and the statement that Joe and I put out reflects our sentiments," he said. Great, I thought, already imagining the heat we'd take on this. But all in all, I felt solid about our instincts. Despite our clumsiness, I still thought we had nailed, in the predawn hours, what this pick would mean over time.

Obama and I had a long talk late that afternoon to evaluate Palin. "I just don't understand how this ends up working out for McCain," he said. "In the long term, I mean. The short term will be good for them. But when voters step back and analyze how he made this decision, I think he's going to be in big trouble. You just can't wing something like this — it's too important."

"I think we just need to sit back and play our game," said Obama. "It actually won't be bad to be off-Broadway for a few days. We should just leave her out of the equation. This is a race between John McCain and me. To the extent we talk about Palin, I think it should be about the differences in our selection processes — it illuminates differences in how we'd make decisions in the White House."

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Bill Clinton nixed wife's VP chances: Obama campaign manager
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2009, 06:29:30 AM »
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WASHINGTON (AFP) – Barack Obama seriously considered picking former foe Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate last year but rejected her because he was worried about controlling Bill Clinton.
In a new book, the US president's 2008 campaign manager David Plouffe reveals the behind-the-scenes calculations as Obama searched for a vice presidential nominee and finally settled on Joe Biden.
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Despite still bitter feelings over the fierce Democratic primary duel, Obama continued to be intrigued by Clinton as the process progressed, saying she had "smarts, discipline, steadfastness," Plouffe wrote.
But in the end, concern over ex-president Bill Clinton's larger-than-life presence and political maneuvering cost Clinton a chance at the job -- which she had already signaled publicly she did not want.
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Bill Screwed Hill in 2008?  Probably the first time since Chelsea was born.

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Re: Bill Clinton nixed wife's VP chances: Obama campaign manager
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2009, 08:58:04 AM »
From the link:

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Plouffe also said that in their first meeting with Biden to discuss the vice presidential nomination, the former senator lived up to his reputation as a long-winded speaker, with a 20-minute monologue.

"It confirmed what we suspected: this dog could not be taught new tricks."


I don't understand this at all. If they concluded that Biden essentially was a liability, i.e., "could not be taught new tricks," then WTF did Lord Zero select him to be his running mate?

Don't get me wrong - I happen to think that Biden is doing a magnificent job in being a complete buffoon and thereby illustrating the poor judgment of Obama's, but if they knew that to begin with, why?

Biden can be controlled, I suppose, even with his big mouth. He'll do what he's told at least.

Despite Plouffe's assertion about Slick Willie, I dare say that the real issue is one of control. Lord Zero wants it ALL and he'll not entertain anybody on his "team" who may counter him.
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Re: Bill Clinton nixed wife's VP chances: Obama campaign manager
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2009, 09:16:03 AM »
You answered your own question:

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Biden can be controlled, I suppose, even with his big mouth. He'll do what he's told at least.

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Re: Bill Clinton nixed wife's VP chances: Obama campaign manager
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 09:25:55 AM »
You answered your own question:


True dat, but the bigger question is, are the inevitable gaffes and silly bullshit that will certainly emanate from Biden (along with the political embarrassment that he is) preferable to having an effective, but potentially adversarial veep?

Apparently the answer is yes on that one, too, but I think Lord Zero's decision fails to take into account Hillary's loathing of her husband and her ego - she makes her own decisions.

Furthermore, if Lord Zero was so worried about Slick Willie, why install Hillary in as SecState, unless he (LZ) intended to marginalize her? What's the political advantage to having a SecState globe-trotting around without a clue as to what is going on? (Not that Obama has a clue, mind you.)
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Re: Bill Clinton nixed wife's VP chances: Obama campaign manager
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 09:41:26 AM »
I don't think Zero was worried about Bill, he was worried about the support for Hillary.  She was the only threat to him. I have no idea how Z and his handler convinced her to settle for SoS.  She's no where near as prominent as before.
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Re: Bill Clinton nixed wife's VP chances: Obama campaign manager
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 09:44:53 AM »
I don't think Zero was worried about Bill, he was worried about the support for Hillary.  She was the only threat to him. I have no idea how Z and his handler convinced her to settle for SoS.  She's no where near as prominent as before.

She's been pretty effectively marginalized, seems to me. The surprising thing is that she still publicly supports LZ. Her ego won't let her play second fiddle to anybody, so to be marginalized and yet be supportive - hmmm. Maybe she's simply getting tired. She did say a week or so ago that she'll not seek the presidency again, and hinted at retirement.
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Re: Bill Clinton nixed wife's VP chances: Obama campaign manager
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2009, 10:00:31 AM »
I don't think Zero was worried about Bill, he was worried about the support for Hillary.  She was the only threat to him. I have no idea how Z and his handler convinced her to settle for SoS.  She's no where near as prominent as before.

Zero might have been concerned about one of the Hillbots trying to take him out.

As for picking Biden, I look at it this way. The Gaffe can say some off the wall stuff, and if it grates on people, then they just claim , "it's just Joe being Joe".  He's an effective ploy to airing opinions that the WH is unsure of.  Sort of their version of trying to float a lead balloon.

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Re: Bill Clinton nixed wife's VP chances: Obama campaign manager
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 10:53:11 AM »
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I can see November 2 from my house!!!

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Re: Bill Clinton nixed wife's VP chances: Obama campaign manager
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 09:24:15 PM »
I am not a huge fan of the Zero to say the least but I like Plugs even less
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