Chronically homeless will live in apartments - Bobbolink pissed

[ScubaGuy]

This thread is filled with Bobo's normal ranting that she doesn't get what she wants.

I want more!
Bobo will never be happy until she's given a house with no strings attached.

ccharles000  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 10:32 AM
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Chronically homeless will live in apartments   Updated at 1:28 PM
   
The Urban Ministry Center will unveil a $10 million project Monday that could forever change the way Charlotte deals with the chronically homeless.

Called Moore Place, it will get up to 85 of the city's most troubled homeless people off the streets, giving them an apartment and the training necessary to build a life.

Not only is the effort a fundamental shift in the way Charlotte works with the homeless, but advocates say it brings the added twist of possibly saving millions in tax dollars.

Moore Place will be based on similar programs in a half dozen cities that long ago proved it's cheaper to house the chronically homeless than to continue paying for their frequent trips to jail or the emergency room.

From that perspective alone, the 85-unit apartment complex could save the city an estimated $2 million in its first year.

Proponents say it represents a significant turnabout: It puts the chronically homeless into housing first and provides them with services. Charlotte traditionally has sent the homeless to shelters first, with the hope that they could get help and eventually find housing.The Urban Ministry already has raised more than $7 million of the projected cost. The final portion is expected to come from a campaign being launched Monday.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/local/story/1006845.ht...

Sounds like a good plan.  Gives them a place to live with centralized services and job training.

EFerrari  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Housing with on site supportive services saves municipalities a bunch of money
   
in addition to being just plain old humane.

We were talking about this model around the 2004 mayoral election in San Francisco but Newsom opted to keeping doing it the old, failing way.

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 03:27 PM
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25. Not everybody needs "support services". Not everyone is alcoholic, druggie, etc.
   
This is patronizing and intrusive.

Heaven forbid that they should try to help.

EFerrari  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 03:51 PM
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39. There is nothing demeaning in making community resources available
   
to the community. And in fact, that is the most successful model we have to date in helping chronically homeless people off of the street and helping them stay off.

That individual jurisdictions screw it up or that some perpetually contentious people can't interact with it is another matter.
   

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #39
47. That's because YOU haven't been on the receiving end. And it's MANDATORY.
   
Housing is conditional upon servitude to those in power.

If you would read what I wrote, you would understand that ALL people needing low-income housing are "chronically homeless" because the waiting lists by definition make people homeless for long enough to be labeled as "chronically homeless".

Calling homeless people names doesn't change that.

Most of us with houses realize this and provide services (work) in order to have those houses.

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 05:35 PM
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55. So, you're not an addict, but you would welcome MANDATORY drug counseling?
   
Yes, I understand homelessness.... I don't need it explained.

What is irritating the hell out of me is the rampant ignorance here that all homeless people need intrusive "services".

ohheckyeah  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 03:51 PM
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38. You keep talking about how this is a problem
   
but you aren't offering any kind of solution. Do you think homeless people would rather live in a cardboard box than have what you call an overseer?

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 05:20 PM
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45. HOUSING.
   
I'm sure it was rather obvious.

But, you just came here to hassle a homeless person, right?

ohheckyeah  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 05:32 PM
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52. No, I'm trying to figure out what it is you
   
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 05:40 PM by ohheckyeah
want.

I get what you are saying but there are chronically homeless people who do have problems. It seems to me there was a study done and a large number of homeless people were found to be schizophrenic. It seems to me they would benefit from some help. Dealing with the why someone is homeless is important.

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 05:40 PM
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57. HOUSING.
   
That is what *I* want, and what is needed.

Your "figures" are erroneous, and it's time for you to learn the reality.

Prescribing MANDATORY "treatment" for those who only need housing is only for the benefit of the people making $$$$ from that "treatment".

If YOU were forced into "treatment" you would scream bloody murder and receive lots of sympathy here. Yet, you can't understand that what you want in your ignorance is doing that to others.
   

Lorien  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 08:35 PM
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88. ALL housing comes with strings attached
   
for me it's 12 hour workdays six days a week to pay for the mortgage and utilities, for you it might be someone to help you train for a job (though you obviously have no interest in that). We all pay a price for a roof over our heads. Would I take a psychologist or job training over living on the streets? HELL YES. I have to deal with unreasonable clients all the time. How could someone who is trying to HELP ME instead of trying to get me to work virtually for free be any worse?

Gwendolyn  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 03:36 PM
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30. Wonderful news! Hope the idea catches on. n/t

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 05:54 PM
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66. Yes, more greed is wonderful news. WTF?

Greedy bastards giving away apartments.

Chemisse  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #64
82. You seem like you could use a therapist, at the very least
   
To work on your anger issues.

 

[Chris_]

Sounds like a good plan.  Gives them a place to live with centralized services and job training.

Greedy bastards giving away apartments.

 

And in two years it will look like Cabrini Green in Chicago.........

doc

[Carl]

What a waste of air.

[jtyangel]

I think it is becoming increasingly obvious, even to DUmmies, why it is that bobbolink is homeless and abandoned. She is contentious and not interested in changing HERSELF in order to get what it is she needs. In bobbolink's world(from the rantings I've seen) she expects a 2100 sq foot HOUSE with a yard and all furniture and equipments(and services to fix the home) included as well as clothing, food, and entertainment for her with NO EXPECTATION she do anything but live her life. Bobbolink is a useless leech and the DUmmies are starting to catch on to that in her world all work is demeaning. Because of this, the bobbohobbo is homeless opting not 'demean herself' with work. After all, it's far less demeaning to take a piss in an alley or beg for a cup of coffee.  

Bobbolink brings to light the type of person the DUmmies either wants to pretend doesn't exist or downplays exists and that is the person who takes some approach they are leading some uber independent life by not being a 'slave' to anyone's expectations. Problem with this is it is inhabited by a boatload of individuals who don't combined their need for ultimate independence with the work ethic needed for self-sufficiency. I just think it is an excuse to push people away, be lazy, or both, but well...what do I know.

[ScubaGuy]

I think it is becoming increasingly obvious, even to DUmmies, why it is that bobbolink is homeless and abandoned. She is contentious and not interested in changing HERSELF in order to get what it is she needs. In bobbolink's world(from the rantings I've seen) she expects a 2100 sq foot HOUSE with a yard and all furniture and equipments(and services to fix the home) included as well as clothing, food, and entertainment for her with NO EXPECTATION she do anything but live her life. Bobbolink is a useless leech and the DUmmies are starting to catch on to that in her world all work is demeaning. Because of this, the bobbohobbo is homeless opting not 'demean herself' with work. After all, it's far less demeaning to take a piss in an alley or beg for a cup of coffee.  

Bobbolink brings to light the type of person the DUmmies either wants to pretend doesn't exist or downplays exists and that is the person who takes some approach they are leading some uber independent life by not being a 'slave' to anyone's expectations. Problem with this is it is inhabited by a boatload of individuals who don't combined their need for ultimate independence with the work ethic needed for self-sufficiency. I just think it is an excuse to push people away, be lazy, or both, but well...what do I know.

I think you're right on the money with that assessment of the bobohobo (I like that name).

She gets some type of SS check for about $800/month and one of the primitives had asked why she didn't find another person in her situation, combine their resources and get an apartment.  She pitched a fit about why should she be forced to live with a roommate when there are other people with their own homes.

[ScubaGuy]

And in two years it will look like Cabrini Green in Chicago.........

doc

No doubt about that happening.  Go to any housing project anywhere and you'll see the same thing.  It's not just lack of normal maintenance and it's obvious that the tenants just trashed the places.
 

[Chris_]

I think you're right on the money with that assessment of the bobohobo (I like that name).

She gets some type of SS check for about $800/month and one of the primitives had asked why she didn't find another person in her situation, combine their resources and get an apartment.  She pitched a fit about why should she be forced to live with a roommate when there are other people with their own homes.

Has it occurred to anyone that she/he/it might be a very talented mole?   I mean she states that she lives in a car right.....kinda hard to get an internet connection there......and most libraries place time limits on access........

I wonder......

doc

[Alpha Mare]

No doubt about that happening.  Go to any housing project anywhere and you'll see the same thing.  It's not just lack of normal maintenance and it's obvious that the tenants just trashed the places.
 

Because it doesn't cost them anything. 

[USA4ME]

stray cat

5. I wonder what the neighbors think?

Putting everyone together makes it easier to provide services if it is done well but it is also how ghettos are created.

From the article:

Land has been purchased in the Druid Hills community and the apartments are set for completion in late 2010.

This is a section just north of downtown Charlotte and it's an older neighborhood of small homes probably built back in the mid to late 50's and early 60's.  The people there keep up their yards and things, so I'm guessing if this place comes in and starts attracting riff-raff who want to remain riff-raff, they'll either be sent packing or they'll be made to feel very uncomfortable to the point where they finally do leave.

BTW, has the bobbling primitive ever explained why it's homeless?

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[sofa king]

Has it occurred to anyone that she/he/it might be a very talented mole?   I mean she states that she lives in a car right.....kinda hard to get an internet connection there......and most libraries place time limits on access........

I wonder......

doc

one poster noted that bobo was posting at 3am in one thread awhile back.  he called her on it but it was never answered.  library my ass...

[Texacon]

From the article:

This is a section just north of downtown Charlotte and it's an older neighborhood of small homes probably built back in the mid to late 50's and early 60's.  The people there keep up their yards and things, so I'm guessing if this place comes in and starts attracting riff-raff who want to remain riff-raff, they'll either be sent packing or they'll be made to feel very uncomfortable to the point where they finally do leave.

BTW, has the bobbling primitive ever explained why it's homeless?

.

Bobbo is homeless by choice.  It had a place to stay once upon a time but didn't like the way it was managed soooo it wandered off on its own to live in a car.

Choices have consequences and Bobbo doesn't like that.

KC

[Texacon]

I think it is becoming increasingly obvious, even to DUmmies, why it is that bobbolink is homeless and abandoned. She is contentious and not interested in changing HERSELF in order to get what it is she needs. In bobbolink's world(from the rantings I've seen) she expects a 2100 sq foot HOUSE with a yard and all furniture and equipments(and services to fix the home) included as well as clothing, food, and entertainment for her with NO EXPECTATION she do anything but live her life. Bobbolink is a useless leech and the DUmmies are starting to catch on to that in her world all work is demeaning. Because of this, the bobbohobbo is homeless opting not 'demean herself' with work. After all, it's far less demeaning to take a piss in an alley or beg for a cup of coffee.  

Bobbolink brings to light the type of person the DUmmies either wants to pretend doesn't exist or downplays exists and that is the person who takes some approach they are leading some uber independent life by not being a 'slave' to anyone's expectations. Problem with this is it is inhabited by a boatload of individuals who don't combined their need for ultimate independence with the work ethic needed for self-sufficiency. I just think it is an excuse to push people away, be lazy, or both, but well...what do I know.

Nail ... meet head.

That is spot on.  The DUmmies refuse to see that most homeless are homeless by choice.  I thought something interesting in that thread was that Bobbo was arguing about how FEW of the homeless are mental cases and how FEW of the homeless actually need any kind of help.  Kind of points out the glaring reason they ARE homeless.  CHOICE.  They are homeless because they WANT to be.  They would rather grovel on the street than have the 'man' take advantage of their hard work to make money.  IE ... they are lazy and worthless.

Not to mention that the government plays games with the homeless numbers.  Back when I was an iron worker (and making damn good money) I lived in a travel trailer because I moved all over the country.  When the '90 census workers came around I found out that I was considered 'homeless'!!  No kidding!  So there I was .... homeless making around $30/hour not counting per diem, truck allowance and travel pay from job to job.

KC

[Ralph Wiggum]

And in two years it will look like Cabrini Green in Chicago.........

doc

Gone?

[diesel driver]

Gone?

May as well be....
As in "gone to hell"....

[Chris_]

They are getting tired of her...

greytdemocrat  (34 posts)        Sun Oct-18-09 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #64
71. You really are incredible. 
 I've been reading your comments for years and you never fail to disappoint.

Chemisse  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-18-09 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #64
82. You seem like you could use a therapist, at the very least
 To work on your anger issues.

 

[The Village Idiot]

You would think Bobbolink might realize its her and not the rest of the world before its too late.

[Carl]

You would think Bobbolink might realize its her and not the rest of the world before its too late.

This is a liberal and a DUmmy as well,no one ever comes before them no matter what they say.

[Duke Nukum]

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Oct-18-09 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #3
25. Not everybody needs "support services". Not everyone is alcoholic, druggie, etc.
   
This is patronizing and intrusive.

Yes, that is what you get when you turn over control over your life to government powers.  Why do you think so many are fighing health care "reform?"