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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:06 PMOriginal message "Either you stand for something or you stand for nothing" Do you agree with this old adage?
dolphindance (243 posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:07 PMResponse to Original message 1. Nope. Unrecced.
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:10 PMResponse to Reply #1 4. You musta been the pick of your litter
saracat (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:14 PMResponse to Reply #1 6. Why on earth would anyone unrec this?
dolphindance (243 posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:21 PMResponse to Reply #6 13. The original poster's motives are transparent. What he is really saying: "President Obama doesn't stand for anything!"Whatever, man. Keep dreaming of your mythical FDR / LBJ hero that will go down fighting. And at the end of 4 years we'll be right back where we were before.But hey, he fought the good fight!
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 11:50 PMResponse to Reply #13 29. Gee, I kinda feel all funny inside when you enter my head and channel my thoughts Who else you doing that for?after which a photograph of a homemade puppet
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 11:50 PMResponse to Reply #13 30. :urp: ...... burped ....... :/
Sparkly (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 10:08 AMResponse to Reply #13 43. "at the end of 4 years we'll be right back where we were before" I don't understand this point of view. A majority of the public is in favor of a "public option," for example, and we have majorities in both houses. So why do you believe such things would be so disastrous that it'd be a political setback?And if Democrats got it through, how would we be "right back where we were?" We'd have accomplished something.Surest way to be "right back where we were" is to stand still, basically. Too many Democrats are taking that stand, seems to me.
saracat (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 03:50 PMResponse to Reply #13 45. Some seem to hate Labor! And after 4 years both FDR and LBJ had accomplished a huge amount. Nothing was remotely the same. The New Deal and the Great Society completely changed the United States. Why anyone would consider them bad models for any presidency is beyond belief. Johnson did not handle the Vietnam War well but his record on social accomplishements is amazing. 1000 Bills in 1000 Days.
polichick (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:08 PMResponse to Original message 2. I like this one: "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."
amborin (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 02:22 AMResponse to Reply #2 38. i think that's the UAW motto
cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:08 PMResponse to Original message 3. I heard it as "If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING". I agree with both.
Harry Monroe (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:20 PMResponse to Reply #3 12. “Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything†Alexander Hamilton
bvar22 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 12:21 AMResponse to Reply #3 34. The Joy of "Centrism". Centrism....because its so EASY!You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING, and get to insult those who do!
HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:13 PMResponse to Original message 5. Simple slogans for simple people.
saracat (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:16 PMResponse to Reply #5 8. Sort of like"Change we can believe in" ? Simple slogans are the most effective What the heck is wrong with people?
HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:18 PMResponse to Reply #8 10. Millions of people live normal lives, without ever 'making a stand' for something.And because they don't 'make a stand' it doesn't mean they're gullible and will fall for anything.
tblue (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:28 PMResponse to Reply #8 20. No idea. A lot can be conveyed by a simple, elegant message. Just ask Yogi Berra. Man, there's a lot of nastiness here lately.
liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:15 PMResponse to Original message 7. I don't believe in absolutes. Just because you don't stand for something doesn't mean you stand for nothing or fall for anything. Sayings can be cute and funny, but they can also be simple fodder that is spoon-fed to the herd to inhibit deeper contemplation.
MineralMan (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:17 PMResponse to Original message 9. Bumper sticker philosophy. Sounds smart, but isn't.
tblue (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:18 PMResponse to Original message 11. Of course! Also, common ground is not always higher ground. So tired of capitulation.Also, I just neutralized tthe unrec's.
dolphindance (243 posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:22 PMResponse to Reply #11 15. But sometimes it is. And the President knows the difference.
tblue (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:32 PMResponse to Reply #11 21. I wish. I'm not convinced. But I'm hopeful.
Harry Monroe (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:22 PMResponse to Original message 14. I also agree with this: "However long we are keepers of the public trust, we should never forget that we are here as public servants . . . And public service is a privilege. It's not about advantaging yourself. It's not about advancing your friends or your corporate clients. It's not about advancing an ideological agenda or the special interests of any organization. Public service is simply and absolutely about advancing the interests of Americans." Barack H. Obama
tblue (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:39 PMResponse to Reply #14 23. Swtch out the word 'public' and insert 'Goldman Sachs' and no truer words were ever said.
Harry Monroe (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 08:42 AMResponse to Reply #23 39. Sadly, the way things have gone sometimes, you may be right But I agree with the sentiment of the statement. They ARE public servants and they are our employees. We are the employers and their bosses!! This is too often forgotten.
HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:22 PMResponse to Original message 16. How about that old saw... "If you really cared about the health care issue, I'd think you'd pay a little more attention to it."
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:46 PMResponse to Reply #16 26. Who said that?
HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:51 PMResponse to Reply #26 27. I think it's Shakespeare. Rupert IV.
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:53 PMResponse to Reply #27 28. We skipped IV
sendero (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:22 PMResponse to Original message 17. I think it goes... ... stand for something or you'll fall for anything
yawnmaster (396 posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:37 PMResponse to Original message 22. Isn't standing for nothing actually taking a stand against standing for something?
Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 08:39 PMResponse to Original message 25. Kind of like "you are either with us or against us."
asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 11:51 PMResponse to Original message 31. Isn't it "Either you stand for something or you'll fall for anything."
Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-19-09 11:57 PMResponse to Original message 33. I certainly do, Stinky Like you, I stand for something. If the public is going to pay for health reform, then there better be a public plan for everybody. Otherwise, there is no reform.
bvar22 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 12:30 AMResponse to Original message 35. I'll stand with Stinky on this. I'll STAND for ALL of the following:*Medicare for anyone who wants it.*Immediate withdrawal of ALL military forces and "contractors" from the Middle East. *Immediate reduction of Military Spending by at least 50%*The immediate break-up (Trust Busting) of everything "Too Big to Fail".*Fair Competition Legislation that lets Mom&Pop (small locally owned businesses and farms) compete with Big Box and Factory Farms on a level playing field.*An end to "Free Trade" (Race to the Bottom)*Organized LABOR and local co-ops.*An end to the two-tiered Judicial System*Prosecution of rich American War Criminals and War Profiteers. (Oh yes they did!)(Justice delayed is Justice Denied.)*An END to "Corporate Personhood"*Strictly Enforced Publicly Financed Elections (severe penalties for criminals)*Transparent and Verifiable elections (Why isn't this a front burner issue with the Democratic Party?)*Re-Regulation with strict oversight of Banking/Investment, Transportation, Communications, Trade, Energy, Utilities. There should be NO Public Money for private Prisons, armed Private Police, armed Defense Contractors, or private intelligence agencies.*Immediate Civil Rights and Equal Protection for ALL. (No Exceptions)*Free Quality Universal Education to everyone who wants it.*Strong Social Safety Net and Consumer Protections.*An end to The Patriot Act and a return to The Constitution.(especially Habeus and privacy protections)*A refutation of the "Unitary Executive", and legislation to ensure it NEVER happens again.*An END to Republican/Corporate influence INSIDE The Democratic Party !(NO! They DON"T deserve a seat at the table!)I'll also STAND with Paul (RIP)."There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone after which a photograph of some obscure balding guy
LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 10:06 AMResponse to Original message 42. I rarely allow credibility to bumper stickers. I rarely allow credibility to bumper stickers. Devoid of context, they are simply words strung together which allow people to feel clever and validated about themselves.
cali (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 10:10 AMResponse to Original message 44. sure, but no doubt there's an adage out there that contradicts that one and that I also agree with.
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 12:30 AMResponse to Original message 35. I'll stand with Stinky on this. I'll STAND for ALL of the following:*Medicare for anyone who wants it.*Immediate withdrawal of ALL military forces and "contractors" from the Middle East. *Immediate reduction of Military Spending by at least 50%*The immediate break-up (Trust Busting) of everything "Too Big to Fail".*Fair Competition Legislation that lets Mom&Pop (small locally owned businesses and farms) compete with Big Box and Factory Farms on a level playing field.*An end to "Free Trade" (Race to the Bottom)*Organized LABOR and local co-ops.
*Transparent and Verifiable elections (Why isn't this a front burner issue with the Democratic Party?)
bvar22 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 12:30 AMResponse to Original message 35. I'll stand with Stinky on this.I'll STAND for ALL of the following:*Medicare for anyone who wants it.*Immediate withdrawal of ALL military forces and "contractors" from the Middle East.*Immediate reduction of Military Spending by at least 50%*The immediate break-up (Trust Busting) of everything "Too Big to Fail".*Fair Competition Legislation that lets Mom&Pop (small locally owned businesses and farms) compete with Big Box and Factory Farms on a level playing field.*An end to "Free Trade" (Race to the Bottom)*Organized LABOR and local co-ops.
This one was pretty funny:Because if it was, chances are that the founders of ACORN would be on their way to Florence CO.
*Transparent and Verifiable elections (Why isn't this a front burner issue with the Democratic Party?) If the DUmmie is stupid enough to ask that question, then he's to stupid to understand the answer.
Sparkly (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-20-09 10:08 AMResponse to Reply #13 43. "at the end of 4 years we'll be right back where we were before" I don't understand this point of view. A majority of the public is in favor of a "public option," for example
CNN Poll: Half the country disagrees with Obama on issuesPosted: October 20th, 2009 12:40 PM ETFrom CNN Deputy Political Director Paul SteinhauserWASHINGTON (CNN) – For the first time since he took over in the White House, Americans don't see eye to eye with President Barack Obama on the important issues, according to a new national poll. But the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey does indicate that a majority approve of how Obama's handling his duties as president.According to the poll, which was released Tuesday, 48 percent of people questioned say that they agree with Obama on the issues that matter most to them, with 51 percent saying no. That's a switch from April, when 57 percent said they agreed with the president on important issues, with 41 percent disagreeing."Obama is facing crunch time on a number of controversial issues, from health care to financial regulation to cap and trade to Afghanistan," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "The fact that most Americans no longer agree with him on important issues makes his task harder."Fifty-five percent of those questioned say they approve of how Obama's handling his duties, with 43 percent disapproving. The 55 percent approval rating is down 3 points from September. Most recent national polls place the president's approval rating in the low to mid 50's."Obama continues to do poorly among senior citizens," says Holland. "Most Americans over the age of 65 disapprove of how he is handling his job as president."
