sparkling husband primitive just realized something

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6332565

Oh my.

The sparkling husband primitive who, like all men, nightly pitches his tent one day's march closer to the mausoleum:

Stinky The Clown  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-17-09 09:48 PM
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I just realized something ..... when I was a younger person, the word 'Christian" was, for me, .....

........ a blanket term that was used to differentiate people of various religions based on the life of Jesus from Jews and Muslims, and Shintos and Buddhists, and ..... and ..... and .....

And, logically, it still does.

But now there's an added dimension. The visceral one. The reflexive response inside me when I hear the word. It is not unlike when I hear the word "terrorist" .... or "criminal" ....... it has a decidedly negative feel to it, deep inside me.

It never used to be this way. It is a pity that it has come to this.

It's come to this because the sparkling husband primitive doesn't know shit what he's talking about.

RagAss  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-17-09 09:51 PM
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1. Agreed. Once they hijacked the cross, it was easy for them to make the rules up. 

CurtEastPoint  (711 posts)         Mon Aug-17-09 09:52 PM
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2. Me, too! Sadly, it conjures up big hair, bigotry and hypocrisy.

I know that's unfair but most of them have bandied about that term until it has been sullied.

Political Heretic  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-17-09 09:55 PM
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3. Me too. And that strikes me as really sad because I've always been a spiritual apologist...

...by that I mean, I'm not part of the anti-religion crowd, in terms of spirituality (though I don't have much taste for organized religious institutions.) My natural inclination is to defend those who practice and to suggest a world in which a spiritual interpretation is both possible and sane.

However, what has gone on in my life time in the name of "Christian" has left me feeling the same way. Now, when I here the word, my first reaction is an intense negative, and I have to compensate for bias and remind myself that not all people who call themselves Christians are bad.... many are even leftists.

donco6  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-17-09 09:58 PM
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4. Ugh, me too.

It must have been a good thing once. Maybe.

crazy_vanilla  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-17-09 09:58 PM
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5. I know many good Christians

But we made a family decision to leave the church and its doctrine because we couldn't in good conscience accept a multitude of things that were happening. In addition to historical research which led us to a certain conclusion. We are never going back.

It's ugly out there.

The Velveteen Ocelot  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-17-09 09:59 PM
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6. Same here.

I know that not all "Christians" are hateful, right-wing wack jobs (in fact, most of them aren't), but those that are have given the whole religion a very bad rep as far as I'm concerned. I was raised in a mainstream Christian church; I wasn't really a true believer, but I always liked at least the ethical component of basic Christian theology -- but in recent years I haven't even wanted to set foot in a church or identify myself in any way with Christians. Now they creep me out. Jesus wouldn't recognize that lot.

baldguy  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-17-09 09:59 PM
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7. When I was a younger person, Christians acted like Christians.

That is, try did their best to emulate the life of Jesus Christ. There may have been some small differences among the various sects, but in general they were honest, upright & trustworthy if they were church-going folk.

I guess honesty & unseaworthiness went out the window over the last 40 yrs.

ThomCat  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-17-09 10:45 PM
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24. Did they?

Or was the bad behavior just more acceptable to everyone?

While the civil rights movement was organized out of black churches, bigotry of all kinds was perpetuated out of most churches.

While some churches supported the poor and the weak, a lot of churches catered to power. They preached American Exceptionalism, the idea that God loves us more than the people in other nations, and therefore it's okay to do horrible things in those nations. We act in the name of God.

I think that we now have so much media saturation that we are just more AWARE that some people are displeased with religion. The disaffected aren't isolated anymore. We hear about each other, talk to each other, and aren't alone like we would have been in the past.

Arugula Latte  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-17-09 09:59 PM
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8. Agree totally. It has a very negative connoctation for me.

undeterred  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-17-09 10:01 PM
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9. Whenever I hear of a "Christian" business 

I want nothing to do with them. I am a Christian but those kind of Christians annoy the hell out of me.

The Sahara Sam primitive:

sam sarrha  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-17-09 10:08 PM
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12. i was raised in the Free Holiness Pentecostal church, forcing children to Pray Thru as punishment is torture, among a long list of other bullshit, like teaching the Book of Revelation in Sunday school to 5 year olds, all we ever did was study Revelation, then Romans, then Acts, then repeat the 3.. all to reveal the truth of the end times.. i was a dedicated Atheist at age 6. i attempted to commit suicide rather than go to church again..

i sat in a dark closet and cursed god, i was brain washed into believing he'd strike me dead for that.. it didn't F'n work and i had to go to church. we went to church 3 times a week, would'a been 4 except the parents watched Ed Sullivan on tv that nite

i have nothing but contempt for religion..

deep1 (103 posts)      Tue Aug-18-09 12:25 AM
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34. If you replace the word "Christian" with "Muslim" or "Jew" in your posts........

I sure as hell bet your post would have been deleted and you would have been banned. But it's acceptable to bash Christians here.

Yes, I am Catholic, raised Catholic, with a priest and nun in my family. Catholics strongly favored Obama.

However, I REFUSE to jump into the Christian bashing bandwagon.

You know why?

BECAUSE THESE NEO CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT TRUE CHRISTIANS.

THEY ARE NOT, I REPEAT TRUE CHRISTIANS.

They hide under their Bibles to profess hate, their deeds don't ACCORD with the words of Jesus.

So stop the Christian bashing! You have 11 recs, sad there are so many Christian bashers on this board.

Truly intelligent, open minded people can tell the difference between a good Christian and one that uses the religion to spread hate and lies!

Democratic Underground professes to being fair and tolerant and never to allow bashing of religions, nationality, gender, etc yet they allow Christian/Catholic bashing to proliferate. Sounds hypocritical to me.

emilyg  (1000+ posts)      Tue Aug-18-09 12:48 AM
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36. Thank you.

proteus_lives  (1000+ posts)      Tue Aug-18-09 05:24 AM
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40. Good points.

There is a true double standard.

[thundley4]

I see that thread as a testament that evil is growing in this country.  By no means am I a religious person, yet I can see that society has deteriorated greatly with the acceptance of secular humanism. Just  maybe, the DUmmies need to look to someone greater than themselves to lift their hatred, and their misery from  them.

[Karin]

Look at them, bleating like sheep.  "Me, too."  "Same here."  "Me three."   Not an original thought rattling around in any of their empty heads.   Personally, I have no tolerance for Christian-bashing, as it has grown very tiresome.  I'm not reading another thread like it. 

[Freeper]

dummies discussing religion, economics, or pretty much anything is like a blind man trying to discuss a Picasso painting. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

dummies discussing religion, economics, or pretty much anything is like a blind man trying to discuss a Picasso painting. 

Maybe a Holbein or a Rembrandt.  They might come out surprisingly close on a Picasso.

 

[delilahmused]

These people simply can't come up with a new demon to save their lives. Christian, racist, corporation...sometimes the order changes depending on what "fill in the blank" issue they're still bitching about.

Cindie

[GOBUCKS]

Democrats hate Christians for a simple reason. Christianity presents a very clear moral code that
defines what is right and what is wrong. That code comes directly from the Word of God. Democrats
hate Christians because they refuse to modify that code based on whatever perversion is currently in
favor with democrats.

Most of the democrat political philosophy is morally an abomination. They know it, but hate Christians or
anyone else who points that out. Democrats do not believe in right or wrong. They believe in "nuance".

[Chris_]

Democrats hate Christians for a simple reason. Christianity presents a very clear moral code that
defines what is right and what is wrong. That code comes directly from the Word of God. Democrats
hate Christians because they refuse to modify that code based on whatever perversion is currently in
favor with democrats.

Most of the democrat political philosophy is morally an abomination. They know it, but hate Christians or
anyone else who points that out. Democrats do not believe in right or wrong. They believe in "nuance".

Geez.......where is that "bulls eye" graphic when I need it........

doc

[JohnnyReb]

dummies discussing religion, economics, or pretty much anything is like a blind man trying to discuss a Picasso painting. 

Picasso paintings always looked to me like they had been done by a blind man.

[AllosaursRus]

Picasso paintings always looked to me like they had been done by a blind man.

That describes DUmmies to a "T"!

[vesta111]

Picasso paintings always looked to me like they had been done by a blind man.

I would give my left leg for a Salvator Dali--