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DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« on: July 20, 2009, 08:44:37 PM »
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Jimmy Carter Leaves Church Over Treatment of Women

After more than 60 years together, Jimmy Carter has announced himself at odds with the Southern Baptist Church -- and he's decided it's time they go their separate ways. Via Feministing, the former president called the decision "unavoidable" after church leaders prohibited women from being ordained and insisted women be "subservient to their husbands." Said Carter in an essay in The Age:

At its most repugnant, the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities.

And, later:

The truth is that male religious leaders have had -- and still have -- an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter. Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world

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10. Me too! I love him! And all the so called "Christians" hate him! 
because he actually walks the walk!

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7. Once again, he shows his integrity.
   
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8. Wow! 
 This is amazing and yet so in character for this wonderful man.

Go Jimmy Go!


The DUmmies' reaction has nothing to do with women. It has everything to do with their hatred of Christianity, and the refusal by its more faithful adherents to change their definition of right and wrong, depending on whatever perversion is in current favor among democrats.

Their posts would have been sad observations on Jimmuh's senility, had he protested muzzies treating their women like livestock. But of course, being an anti-Semite, Jimmuh would never do that.

I was also caught by the news outlet Jimmuh apparently used, "Feministing". Sounds like something that would be enjoyed by DUmmy Ben Burch.

Coach is right again. This has been a dismal day at the DUmp.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2009, 08:52:45 PM »
So now he decides to take this stand?

Bitter old incompetent fool is looking for headlines.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2009, 08:55:48 PM »
Jimmuh is getting too long in the tooth to be playing this kind of game with the church and with God.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009, 09:28:24 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on July 20, 2009, 08:55:48 PM
Jimmuh is getting too long in the tooth to be playing this kind of game with the church and with God.

I see this as all working out pretty well, myself, not unlike the wrap-up in a Gilbert and Sullivan musical...

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2009, 10:52:34 PM »
It took him 60+years? Damn and we thought Obama was bad after only 20 years..... :thatsright:
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009, 06:49:28 AM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on July 20, 2009, 08:44:37 PM
Coach is right again. This has been a dismal day at the DUmp.

It was pretty boring there on Monday, wasn't it?

I picked a really good time to be under the weather, when nothing was going on.

But maybe there's some discombobulation coming soon, to stir up the primitives, who will then start producing, putting out, like they used to.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 10:24:15 AM »
When the second worst president of our lifetimes (thanks, obumbles) speaks out about how muslim women are treated, then I will give the man some credit.  Or how the mass aborting of an entire generation of chinese women.  Or the standard practice of raping african women.

Yes, very brave man when there absolutely ZERO consequences for an act.  A real liberal beta male.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 10:57:45 AM »
Typical Jimma, doing what he believes to be the best rather than doing the right thing.

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... insisted women be "subservient to their husbands."

The primitives falsely believe this to mean wifes must do what their husbands tell them to do.  The scriptures say that men are to love their wives the way Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it.  Going around acting like you can tell you wife what to do and what not to do isn't loving, so obviously that's not what "subservient to their husbands" means.

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 11:18:39 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on July 21, 2009, 10:57:45 AM
Typical Jimma, doing what he believes to be the best rather than doing the right thing.

The primitives falsely believe this to mean wifes must do what their husbands tell them to do.  The scriptures say that men are to love their wives the way Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it.  Going around acting like you can tell you wife what to do and what not to do isn't loving, so obviously that's not what "subservient to their husbands" means.

It's the same thing with this primitive notion about "fearing" God.

Like, we're supposed to be afraid of God, like God's some sort of monster.

Primitives don't know crap about the evolution of vocabulary, and the meanings of words.

The word "fear" in the context in which the Scriptures were put into English does not mean the same thing as the word "fear" today.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 11:47:33 AM »
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The truth is that male religious leaders have had -- and still have -- an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter. Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world

Don't women have that same "option"? My reading comprehension is pretty good and I'm no wilting violet. If I felt subjugated someone would hear about it. As for the "genital mutilation" I don't think that's ever been popular in Christian circles, not even in the middle ages. Just to be sure, though, I just checked and all my parts are right where they're supposed to be.

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2009, 11:57:16 AM »
I'd be more impressed if he told his Islamofascist buddies that they're wrong for forcing their women to be "subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities". 

Last time I checked, the Southern Baptists don't do that.

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2009, 01:19:14 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on July 21, 2009, 11:18:39 AM
It's the same thing with this primitive notion about "fearing" God.

Like, we're supposed to be afraid of God, like God's some sort of monster.

Primitives don't know crap about the evolution of vocabulary, and the meanings of words.

The word "fear" in the context in which the Scriptures were put into English does not mean the same thing as the word "fear" today.
I think DUmmies, considering their vile hatred of Christianity and their celebration of perversion, have good reason to be terrified of God. He will likely have some very bad news for them on the day they meet Him face to face.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2009, 03:20:43 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on July 21, 2009, 01:19:14 PM
I think DUmmies, considering their vile hatred of Christianity and their celebration of perversion, have good reason to be terrified of God. He will likely have some very bad news for them on the day they meet Him face to face.

We can only hope! I know, I know, I'm not supposed to be vindictive, but hey, I'm only human. My savior knows that!

Something the DUmmies fail to realize, BTW!

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2009, 04:36:45 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on July 21, 2009, 01:19:14 PM
I think DUmmies, considering their vile hatred of Christianity and their celebration of perversion, have good reason to be terrified of God. He will likely have some very bad news for them on the day they meet Him face to face.

I think you've put steel on target.

I'd much rather act as if God Existed, and find out He doesn't; rather than act as if He didn't Exist, and find out He does.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 03:58:53 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on July 21, 2009, 04:36:45 PM
I think you've put steel on target.

I'd much rather act as if God Existed, and find out He doesn't; rather than act as if He didn't Exist, and find out He does.

aka Pascal's Wager.
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2009, 04:30:04 AM »
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aka Pascal's Wager.

I knew that someone far wiser than I had proposed it.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2009, 05:18:02 AM »
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I knew that someone far wiser than I had proposed it.

meh, great minds, and all that...

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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2009, 03:40:10 PM »
The Southern Baptists don't condone women being ordained because the Bible does not recognize it (at least as far as I've seen). The fact of the matter is that men and women in general are different. That is not to say that one is better than the other. Just that they are different. Women are generally more compassionate and nurturing than men. A pastor that is really following the Bible occassionaly has to make some stands that are not very nurturing. It is really a complex issue that is too deep and possibly volatile to go into here in just a few words, but as always where faith issues are concerned the DUmmies (and in this case Jimmy) are making it into something that it is not.

As to the Southern Baptists subjugating women, the DUmmies (and apparently Jimmy) want you to believe that the Baptists expect women to be slaves. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Southern Baptists are trying (with their imperfect human minds) to follow the Bible. So what does the Bible say?

It says (in the New Living Translation)...

Gen 2:24  This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.

So a husband and wife are to be united into one. That doesn't much sound like slavery.

Eph 5:28  In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man is actually loving himself when he loves his wife.

Eph 5:33  So again I say, each man must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

So a husband should love his wife as much as he loves himself, and a wife should respect her husband. Still doesn't sound like slavery.

Eph 5:25 And you husbands must love your wives with the same love Christ showed the church. He gave up his life for her

So a husband should love his wife so much that he would die for her. Nope, still not sounding like slavery.

Now the Bible does say that a woman should be subject to her husband. Not to other men, but to HER husband. Once more, this is another complex issue that is too deep to go into in a few words. But, to be brief, does being "subject to" as mentioned in the Bible mean slavery? Not based on the previous verses. Also, keep in mind that while Jesus was on earth He was essentially subject to God in heaven; however, at the same time Jesus was God. In other words Jesus was equal to God but subject to God.
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2009, 05:20:05 PM »
Quote from: docstew on July 22, 2009, 05:18:02 AM
meh, great minds, and all that...

seriously, don't sell yourself short

I know.  But Blaise Pascal (I think that was the one) had a great mind.  I might not be as smart as him, but I make up for it in other ways. :cheersmate:
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Crazy Jimmuh Pissing On His Church
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2009, 06:08:52 PM »
Great post, ChuckJ; awesome.

But of course the narrow-minded bigoted intolerant primitives won't pay it any heed.
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