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Atman (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 06:24 PM
Original message
I donated to Obama. Twice. I worked for the unions on behalf of Obama. But...
I gotta admit, I'm leaning toward the "one-termer" side of the argument if he sells us out on the public-payer option. We CAN NOT allow the "family values" Republicans to set America's agenda any longer. Sick children, bankruptcies due to health care bills, insurance companies making medical decisions instead of doctors. We were supposed to change that. It was/is the biggest promise of the Obama administration.
He breaks that promise at his peril. We (Democrats) are sick and tired of being in the vast majority on so many issues, yet our "Democratic" representatives continually side with the corporations. I want the change I voted for, campaigned for, worked for.
Is that too much to ask?
BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 06:26 PM
Response to Original message
2. Two whole donations?
Wow.
TheWraith (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. I gave Obama around $1400.
I'm a little vague because I lost count at some point.
Atman (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. How do you know how much I gave in my two donations?
And way beyond my cash contribution, I literally worked to elect not only Obama, but Democrats all across the fruited plane [sic]. Get off your $1400 high horse. I have as much right to voice my views as you do.
vaberella (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Excuse you. Why are you attacking the poster? S/he made no comment to your post.
Nor s/he sticking it in your face. Other's gave money, others gave time. So the defensive attack was uncalled for, especially considering the poster was not attacking you or your donations.
mkultra (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #10
34. your proported donations and work give your outrage no greater weight than anyone else who might be concerned.
bvar22 (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #5
33. Maybe you should have bought more Health Insurance instead.
Looks like we are going to need it.
Atman (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 06:39 AM
Response to Reply #33
63. I have excellent health insurance. I work for real Democrats.
My company covers me and my wife and our son in college. I wish others were as lucky. But I shouldn't have to wish...I worked to elect a man who promised to fix the system so that I am not considered one of the lucky ones, rather just another American with health care coverage.
Hmmm. This is rather curious.
Pedro Picasso is of wealthy independent means, including two choice pieces of rustic real estate in Connecticut. Pedro Picasso is married to a medical professional. Pedro Picasso works for a "non-profit" political "activist" organization.
And Pedro Picasso is depending upon the last, for health insurance?
Sirens, alarms, red flashing lights, bells, trumpets, sounding inside the head.
graywarrior (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 06:37 PM
Response to Original message
7. Uh, I'd think more about getting rid of some members of congress.
Atman (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. I'm workin' on that, too.
Seriously, every day. It's what I do for a living.
Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 06:42 PM
Response to Original message
9. You donated twice? OMG. You own him. I can see why you'd be pissed that he hasn't done everything you want in 6 months.
Atman (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. You sound like a Republican.
Use ridicule and ridiculous hyperbole instead of any sort of reasonable response.
Where did I say I thought I owned him? Or how much I donated? Where did I say mention six months? YOU brought on the hyperbole because you can't accept ANY criticism of Obama. I donated to the campaign, I worked with the unions and on myriad local and state organizations, to assure Obama got elected.
I am allowed to express my opinions. As are you. So why be a dick about it, eh?
abq e streeter (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Your OP was a very reasonable statement of frustration and disappointment and I personally am embarrassed at some of the attacks you've been subjected to for it. Nothing new though, and understandable on some level I suppose. Its such a relief to finally be rid of Bush that some people on the left are terrified ( and again, quite understandably) of enough progressives deserting Obama that we'll be back under repub control . But I share your frustration and disappointment; if we get Democrats in office who won't stand up to the corporations and actively be on the side of the working man and woman, then what the hell's the point of working hard to get them elected. The responses that have belittled and insulted you are uncalled for. I expect that kind of thing out of republicans, but not us.
Atman (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #15
70. Thank you.
If it is this difficult for us, supposedly of common ground, to discuss this rationally, imagine what it must be like on the House and Senate floors. It takes strength, but more importantly, it takes leadership. Sadly, it appears the for-profit insurance companies, the Republicans and the media are the ones setting the agenda, not the man who holds the support of 80% of the American people.
Hmmmm. Pedro Picasso better shut off the boob-tube, where he gets all of his information, and read some newspapers and newsmagazines.....but as we all know, reading is "hard work" for Pedro Picasso, watching the boob-tube doesn't overtax his cerebral cells.
Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-24-09 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #12
44. The only dick around here is you for thinking that donating to a candidate means he has to bow to your every whim. And he'd better ****ing do it in six months, or you might cry.
BTW, I'm a woman so find another nasty name to call me because a "dick," I am not.
Atman (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 06:46 AM
Response to Reply #44
64. Again, where did I say anything about six months?
That's why I said you were acting like a Republican...same tactic as when they keep repeating "government run health care" when no one talking about government run health care. If you'd like to discuss what I actually posted, please do.
Teaser (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 08:11 AM
Response to Original message
67. who says he's gonna sell us out?
this is getting boring.
Atman (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 08:26 AM
Response to Reply #67
69. Words mean things.
"...if he sells us out on the public-payer option."
I didn't say he is going to sell us out. I said that IF he ignores the will of the vast majority of the people and sides with for-profit corporate health care over a public option, I will have to seriously reconsider my support for him. I understand the need for give and take on sensitive issues. This is not such an issue. There seems to be no giving, just taking. Taking money from the insurance industry (not Obama, but the Democratic "centrists" who are anything but), and blocking the clear will of the people who voted for change.
IF.
I'm certainly not campaigning for anyone else, and don't intend to. Unless...
UNLESS.
Another word that means something.
Thrill (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 09:05 AM
Response to Original message
73. Obama is the only one out there fighting for the Public Option with no Senators out there making the case. Blaming him? Its a joke. Your fight is with the wrong one.
Atman (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #73
75. It's a fight for LEADERSHIP as much as anything else.
Obama has the people behind him. If he allows these obstructionist Senators and Congresspeople to continually, endlessly thwart the will of people while directing billions more of our money into the same for-profit corporations that created the mess, I'd say that's failed leadership. Obama is the most charismatic, intelligent, persuasive POTUS we've seen in generations, and many of us, me included, had hoped -- no, expected -- that he'd use his powers for good, not evil.
Selling out to the insurance companies and for-profit health care industry at the expense health of the American people is not good. Not by a longshot.
dionysus (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 11:20 AM
Response to Original message
76. dude, what the hell is with all the people throwing in the towel after less than half a ****ing year around this joint.
you can put up with 8 years of commander dipshit, and already calling it quits on obama.
get
a
grip
people
Atman (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #76
81. Who is throwing in the towel?
I did NOT say I was throwing in the towel! We don't even have any legislation yet. I merely stated how important this issue is to very many -- the majority -- of Americans. A big majority. And that now is NOT the time to cave in to the party that LOST the election and enjoys historically low approval among the people.
I am committed to working toward achieving the health care goals we've sought. No one, at least not me, is "calling it quits" on Obama. I am firing a warning flare that my willingness to support him is not without limits. If he does not listen to the people who voted for him and accepts the tactics of the nay-sayers and obstructions in the pockets of the for-profit health care industry, why should he continue to deserve my support?
But that's not NOW. I am still hopeful he'll pull this off, and am working to help him do so. But I am not alone, nor do I feel I am out of line, for expressing doubts about my ability to continue to support him should he miss this historic opportunity for true, real reform.
Oh my. I was waiting for Pedro Picasso to use those trigger words, "maximum legal contribution," which triggers a checking-into by franksolich.
This was the way franksolich bagged his first primitive in a lie, some years ago.
And has since bagged others, including the greasy sleazy lying skumbag primitive.
But Pedro Picasso never did, and so franksolich has to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he actually did toss a few Abraham Lincolns into the pot.
