primitives discuss the future of California

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5913801

Oh my.

California on the ropes, and the primitives are worried.

Javaman  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 02:16 PM
Original message
 
Poll question: So what happens next month if/when California goes bankrupt? 

It's one of the largest economies in the world.

This really concerns me.

Poll result (21 votes) 

Domino effect across the nation?   (11 votes, 52%)
Isolated event?  (3 votes, 14%)
Takes a few others down other along with itself and that's it?   (6 votes, 29%)
Other  (1 votes, 5%)

closeupready  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 02:18 PM
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1. it will hurt, but it will be an isolated incident.

In the end, CA will have to throw out Prop. 13, and raise taxes on the wealthy.

And how is Proposition 13 thrown out?

California's a democracy, ostensibly.

And as for raising taxes on the wealthy, what does Bags Streisand think about that?

scheming daemons  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 02:19 PM
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2. California is one of the largest economies... but the California GOVERNMENT is not....
 
There'll be emergency cuts in services.... but the private sector will trudge along.

FSogol  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 02:20 PM
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4. +1

It'll also be the Gropenator's swan song.

Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 02:36 PM
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9. Always a silver lining isn't there?

Although, I don't like the fact that people will suffer, how nice to send that idiot packing back to the private sector.

anigbrowl (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-24-09 02:20 PM
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3. #3. I don't think it'll be that drastic outside of CA

for that matter, I don't think it'll be that drastic inside of CA. By 'drastic' I mean I don't expect riots or social collapse - but it will get worse in terms of job cuts and services etc., which may build the pressure for a constitutional convention and wholesale reform.

Turbineguy  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-24-09 02:21 PM
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5. There's no sense in having a government if you are going to have propositions where people simply vote based on their short-term self interest and bad propaganda. You may as well have republicans running things. Oh.. wait.

ayeshahaqqiqa  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 02:24 PM
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6. the people will say, "Enough already!" and some sensible solutions will come forth to save California and the rest of the world. ("You may say I'm a dreamer, But I'm not the only one...."

One suspects the good people of California have said "enough already," and if asked a second time, same response.

Donnachaidh  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-24-09 02:27 PM
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7. perhaps the good folks in CA will introduce Ah-nuld to a TOTAL RECALL.

Dumb frigging move voting a washed up actor into the Governor's job. Wonder how many will even ADMIT they voted for that asshole NOW?

TahitiNut  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 02:28 PM
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8. Maybe the government of the State of California will be outsourced. Japan? China? Taiwan?

Now, that sounds like a plan.

Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 02:38 PM
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10. The rich counties will probably pick up what the state can no longer handle.

The poor counties will suffer. We will survive. We always do. This may be an opportunity to overhaul our state government if we get some intelligent heads doing something about it.

pscot  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 03:00 PM
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12. "We always do"?

Does this sort of thing happen often? It's been a while since I lived in California, but I don't recall anything remotely similar.

Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 03:16 PM
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13. Periodically. I've lived here on and off since 1941.

It always happens when we get a Republican Governor. It's like the people of California never learn. Recalling Davis months into his second term was a disaster because, besides the Enron fiasco, he was also cleaning up Pete Wilson's mess his first term and was starting to make headway. Republicans do not seem to care about our nation and always lead us to the brink, yet some never learn. So what does Arnold do? He hires Pete Wilson as a consultant. This is why we are here today.

Wow.  Since 1941.  This is an ancient primitive.

I now baptize this primitive the Mary Pickford primitive.

SidneyCarton (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 02:46 PM
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11. Hard to say.

I don't think we've ever had a default so big before. The closest thing I can think of is when NYC went broke in the late 70's and Ford refused a bailout. There were massive cuts in social welfare, a large increase in crime, and parts of the city really went to hell in a pot. The difference here is that we're talking about a state with a population of approx. 38 million people.

I would say that neighboring states should expect an influx of younger Californians, looking for opportunity and work they can't find at home. They will probably head for the northwest (sorry Oregon and Washington) or for Nevada, Utah, or Texas (it's further away, but it has a large economy of its own, and there are likely to be jobs there.

Ironically, if things get bad enough, you might see a reverse of the Okie migration of the 1930's, but I doubt it will get quite that bad.

1 (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-24-09 03:19 PM
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14. outside of california, no one will notice...california has always had an overblown sense of importance.

I dunno.  We'll see.

[Lord Undies]

or Texas (it's further away, but it has a large economy of its own, and there are likely to be jobs there.

But Texas has a republican governor too, and for a hell of a lot longer than California, so what could be the difference?  Hmm?

[GOBUCKS]

Turbineguy  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-24-09 02:21 PM
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5. There's no sense in having a government if you are going to have propositions where people simply vote based on their short-term self interest and bad propaganda. You may as well have republicans running things. Oh.. wait.

I think that better expresses the DUmmy's meaning.

[Wineslob]

closeupready  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 02:18 PM
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1. it will hurt, but it will be an isolated incident.

In the end, CA will have to throw out Prop. 13, and raise taxes on the wealthy.

Not-gonna-happen DUmbass.

anigbrowl (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-24-09 02:20 PM
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3. #3. I don't think it'll be that drastic outside of CA

for that matter, I don't think it'll be that drastic inside of CA. By 'drastic' I mean I don't expect riots or social collapse - but it will get worse in terms of job cuts and services etc., which may build the pressure for a constitutional convention and wholesale reform.

This DUmmie is right. Once we pare back the Bloated Gov, Cut OUT the "perks" (all of them) for illegals, dump the job strangling enviro-whacko regulations, ect, ect... the state will be just fine.

Turbineguy  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-24-09 02:21 PM
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5. There's no sense in having a government if you are going to have propositions where people simply vote based on their short-term self interest and bad propaganda. You may as well have republicans running things. Oh.. wait.

Care to rephrase that, DUmbshitt? This state has been under Dem control for quite awhile...............if you cared to be accurate........but you are a DUmmie.

Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-24-09 03:16 PM
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13. Periodically. I've lived here on and off since 1941.

It always happens when we get a Republican Governor. It's like the people of California never learn. Recalling Davis months into his second term was a disaster because, besides the Enron fiasco, he was also cleaning up Pete Wilson's mess his first term and was starting to make headway. Republicans do not seem to care about our nation and always lead us to the brink, yet some never learn. So what does Arnold do? He hires Pete Wilson as a consultant. This is why we are here today.

Damn you are stupid. Care to recall how Davis spent 13 BILLION dollars of OVERPAID tax revenues to buy "transmission lines" from PG&E?? Hummm? Oh, and how about his statement that the "excess" taxes were the State's to keep rather than give back to the taxpayers? DUmbass DUmmie.

Now tell me, is Arnold a lame duck....or not? WHO has been in charge of California for years???? (starts with a "d")

1 (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-24-09 03:19 PM
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14. outside of California, no one will notice...California has always had an overblown sense of importance.

Really? Lets see how you do without lettuce, almonds, rice, artichokes, grapes, beef, pork, milk............the agricultural list is endless......

You have no ****ing clue just how big Ag is here.

Damn these people are stupid. 

[franksolich]

Damn these people are stupid.

That goes without saying, sir.

[USA4ME]

Future of California?  Didn't they vote overwhelmingly for Dear Leader?  Well then, they'll get what they voted for.



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