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Obama Backs Bush: No Rights for Bagram Inmates
« on: February 21, 2009, 09:18:25 AM »


The justice department ruled that some 600 so-called enemy combatants at Bagram have no constitutional rights.

Most have been arrested in Afghanistan on suspicion of waging a terrorist war against the US.

The move has disappointed human rights lawyers who had hoped the Obama administration would take a different line to that of George W Bush.

It is certainly evidence that having set the tone for his administration by announcing plans to close Guantanamo Bay, Mr Obama intends to adopt a much more cautious approach to the problem of detainees held elsewhere by the US military, our correspondent says.

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Re: Obama Backs Bush: No Rights for Bagram Inmates
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 05:24:46 PM »
How ironic!  :lmao: We should keep Gitmo opened and it is in Cuba, which has not respect for human rights.
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Re: Obama Backs Bush: No Rights for Bagram Inmates
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 07:57:11 PM »

(WASHINGTON) — The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.

In a two-sentence court filing, the Justice Department said it agreed that detainees at Bagram Airfield cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detention. The filing shocked human rights attorneys.

"The hope we all had in President Obama to lead us on a different path has not turned out as we'd hoped," said Tina Monshipour Foster, a human rights attorney representing a detainee at the Bagram Airfield. "We all expected better." (See TIME's photos of Guantanamo)

The Supreme Court last summer gave al-Qaeda and Taliban suspects held at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the right to challenge their detention. With about 600 detainees at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and thousands more held in Iraq, courts are grappling with whether they, too, can sue to be released.

Three months after the Supreme Court's ruling on Guantanamo Bay, four Afghan citizens being detained at Bagram tried to challenge their detentions in U.S. District Court in Washington. Court filings alleged that the U.S. military had held them without charges, repeatedly interrogating them without any means to contact an attorney. Their petition was filed by relatives on their behalf since they had no way of getting access to the legal system.

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Re: Obama Backs Bush: No Rights for Bagram Inmates
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2009, 08:00:55 PM »
Aw crap.

This is now the third instance that I agree with Obama, and he's been in office a month.

1. Gitmo is still open

2. Troop surge in Afghanistan,

and now this.

Am I getting soft?
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Re: Obama Backs Bush: No Rights for Bagram Inmates
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 08:03:32 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on February 21, 2009, 08:00:55 PM
Aw crap.

This is now the third instance that I agree with Obama, and he's been in office a month.

1. Gitmo is still open

2. Troop surge in Afghanistan,

and now this.

Am I getting soft?

no, he is realizing that bush was right on all of the issues that he accused him of being wrong on.

being president is different than running for president.
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Re: Obama Backs Bush: No Rights for Bagram Inmates
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 08:07:03 PM »
and yet he is releasing hard core terrorists from Gitmo. Obama = Hypocrite
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Re: Obama Backs Bush: No Rights for Bagram Inmates
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 08:09:11 PM »
I guess it'd be too much to ask that he wouldn't transform our economy into a socialist cesspool, make felons into members of his cabinet and brain trust, and--with the help of congress--wash away most of the domestic provisions of the Constitution.


 :whatever:
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Re: Obama Backs Bush: No Rights for Bagram Inmates
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 08:12:18 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on February 21, 2009, 08:09:11 PM
I guess it'd be too much to ask that he wouldn't transform our economy into a socialist cesspool, make felons into members of his cabinet and brain trust, and--with the help of congress--wash away most of the domestic provisions of the Constitution.


 :whatever:

they won, and we lost.  but the electorate isn't very good at thinking things through.  they are much more reactive than proactive.

I suspect that in 2010, obama will be a much more centrist president (the guy is smart, for sure.  even he will see that socialism isn't the asnwer), and that we will clobber them in the midterms.
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Re: Obama Backs Bush: No Rights for Bagram Inmates
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2009, 09:33:56 AM »
Damn neocons and "teh JOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSS" oppressing the innocent!

Oh wait--wrong administration.  My bad.
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Re: Obama Backs Bush: No Rights for Bagram Inmates
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2009, 12:23:54 PM »
An agenda is still at play in the 0bama administration. Not being able to make sweeping changes right off the bat only makes them more determined and teaches them to seek other more nefarious means to achieve their goals. Be mindful of the other shoe. Or in Uncle Zero's case, the bus wheels.
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