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primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« on: February 11, 2009, 01:59:25 PM »
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elleng  (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-08-09 06:45 PM
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Jointly owned house is selling; separated 2+ years, since assaulted by husband (father of our 2 daughters.) I've been living on MY several retirement accounts; he's been living in house and working.

I say, 'When you get check, you'll write me one, right?' He says, 'I don't feel like giving you a large amount so you'll just spend it as you have in past.' Last part is b.s., as I've paid daughter's tuition AND rent and phone and utilities as well as my own, WITH MY RETIREMENT SAVINGS.

I'm VERY upset and anxious now, so ranting/writing here; I allowed myself to be under his emotional thumb for years, and still have evidence of related emotional trauma.

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SheilaT  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-08-09 07:57 PM
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1. Do you have any kind of legal paperwork in place? Is your name on the house? If it is, you should have not problem getting your share. If not, you need an attorney. And don't think you can't afford one. You can't afford not to have one.

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elleng  (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-08-09 08:19 PM
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2. Gotcha, Sheila.

We're both attorneys. Name WAS on house,25 years ago, joint tenancy. He begged me last year to sign quit claim so he could avoid a debt of some kind; never really explained it, but he made such a fuss, included getting our daughters to beg me, that I signed.

SO now I've got that issue. And yes, I know I need attorney.

Hmmm.  I think the ellen primitive is pulling a stretchy here.

Probably the ellen primitive's a receptionist, or a cleaning lady, in an attorney's office.

Remember, DUmmies lie.  All the time, DUmmies lie.

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3. Oooh. Nothing I can say can help at this point.

Good luck to you.

And just so you know I'm coming from a place of sympathy, my ex has stopped paying the maintenance for me, and I do have my attorney working on it.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 02:18:11 PM »
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2. Gotcha, Sheila.

We're both attorneys. Name WAS on house,25 years ago, joint tenancy. He begged me last year to sign quit claim so he could avoid a debt of some kind; never really explained it, but he made such a fuss, included getting our daughters to beg me, that I signed.

SO now I've got that issue. And yes, I know I need attorney.

That makes no damned sense at all.  The dumbest paralegal in the world would wrinkle his or her eyebrows and say "WTF?" on that one. NOBODY, least of all an attorney, tries to ACQUIRE new assets when threatened by a debt.  Exchanging them for assets of a like value but different form, maybe, but that is nowhere near what this ditz is describing.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 02:30:11 PM »
Maybe Ellen works with mehr - the other legal scholar at the DUmp. 
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 02:37:28 PM »
Quote from: Traveshamockery on February 11, 2009, 02:30:11 PM
Maybe Ellen works with merh - the other legal scholar at the DUmp.

This is perhaps dated information, no longer relevant--it was four years ago this coming May--but at that time, I had the impression the methamphetimine primitive, the "merh" primitive down there in southern Mississippi, had some connection with law-enforcement, that involved reduced charges for cooperation.

Something like that.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 03:27:06 PM »
I'm just a mere engineer but what the hell did she think the QUIT in quit claim meant.

I see the best and brightest are going into law.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2009, 05:01:40 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on February 11, 2009, 02:37:28 PM
This is perhaps dated information, no longer relevant--it was four years ago this coming May--but at that time, I had the impression the methamphetimine primitive, the "merh" primitive down there in southern Mississippi, had some connection with law-enforcement, that involved reduced charges for cooperation.

Something like that.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2009, 05:11:13 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on February 11, 2009, 02:18:11 PM
That makes no damned sense at all.  The dumbest paralegal in the world would wrinkle his or her eyebrows and say "WTF?" on that one. NOBODY, least of all an attorney, tries to ACQUIRE new assets when threatened by a debt.  Exchanging them for assets of a like value but different form, maybe, but that is nowhere near what this ditz is describing.

My guess may be that he either took out a second mortgage or a reverse one without her knowing it.

There probably aren`t any assets for her to lay claim to if there is any truth to any of this.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2009, 05:19:47 PM »
a quit claim isn't really worth the paper it's written on. It's a kin to a will. Only good as long as no one contests it.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 05:57:32 PM »
OK...they've been separated for more than 2 years, but she signed a quit claim just a year ago.  I would dismiss this as a bouncy, but it wouldn't surprise me if a DUmpMonkey were dumb enough to do that.   :thatsright:
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 07:07:59 PM »
Quote from: jukin on February 11, 2009, 03:27:06 PM
I'm just a mere engineer but what the hell did she think the QUIT in quit claim meant.

I see the best and brightest are going into law.

This one needs to go into Congress.  Total Genius!
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 06:18:11 AM »
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Jointly owned house is selling; separated 2+ years, since assaulted by husband (father of our 2 daughters.) I've been living on MY several retirement accounts; he's been living in house and working.

I say, 'When you get check, you'll write me one, right?' He says, 'I don't feel like giving you a large amount so you'll just spend it as you have in past.' Last part is b.s., as I've paid daughter's tuition AND rent and phone and utilities as well as my own, WITH MY RETIREMENT SAVINGS.

I'm VERY upset and anxious now, so ranting/writing here; I allowed myself to be under his emotional thumb for years, and still have evidence of related emotional trauma.
This sentence stood out to me! Because of the following in her next post
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He begged me last year to sign quit claim so he could avoid a debt of some kind;
Translation: "I'm horrible with money,so horrible in fact that I ran up a shitload of secured debt and now my creditors are going after my one asset". The husband probably dumped her dumbass because she's nothing but a big liability and now he's trying to save his home by getting her off of it!
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 09:16:13 AM »
Quote from: Carl on February 11, 2009, 05:11:13 PM
My guess may be that he either took out a second mortgage or a reverse one without her knowing it.

There probably aren`t any assets for her to lay claim to if there is any truth to any of this.

Yes, exactly, the obvious (Obvious to anyone but her, anyway) conclusion is "He's lying." 

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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 12:55:12 PM »
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elleng  (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-08-09 08:19 PM
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2. Gotcha, Sheila.

We're both attorneys. Name WAS on house,25 years ago, joint tenancy. He begged me last year to sign quit claim so he could avoid a debt of some kind; never really explained it, but he made such a fuss, included getting our daughters to beg me, that I signed.

SO now I've got that issue. And yes, I know I need attorney.

Gosh, wouldn't an attorney at least have enough sense to have both parties sign something that says, "in exchange for signing a quit claim, I get thus and so"? I mean a simple contract they could probably even do on legalzoon.com.

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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 01:03:38 PM »
Quote from: delilahmused on February 12, 2009, 12:55:12 PM
Gosh, wouldn't an attorney at least have enough sense to have both parties sign something that says, "in exchange for signing a quit claim, I get thus and so"? I mean a simple contract they could probably even do on legalzoon.com.

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she knew what she was doing and is now trying to claim innocence, she will challenge it in court probably if she is telling the truth. very unlikely on DU. The judge should smack her.

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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 02:37:58 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on February 11, 2009, 02:18:11 PM
That makes no damned sense at all.  The dumbest paralegal in the world would wrinkle his or her eyebrows and say "WTF?" on that one. NOBODY, least of all an attorney, tries to ACQUIRE new assets when threatened by a debt.  Exchanging them for assets of a like value but different form, maybe, but that is nowhere near what this ditz is describing.

Exactly. As I was reading it I was expecting to read that he had signed the house over to HER to avoid a debt. She sounds really stupid. Doesn't say much for lawyers, does it?
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 03:09:07 PM »
Quote from: crockspot on February 12, 2009, 02:37:58 PM
Exactly. As I was reading it I was expecting to read that he had signed the house over to HER to avoid a debt. She sounds really stupid. Doesn't say much for lawyers, does it?

Especially when the lawyer is a practicing DUmbass.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 04:07:14 PM »
Well, it doesn't say much for HER as a lawyer, I'll say that.  Her mate sounds like he's a lot smarter, if amoral.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 04:21:16 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on February 12, 2009, 04:07:14 PM
Well, it doesn't say much for HER as a lawyer, I'll say that.  Her mate sounds like he's a lot smarter, if amoral.

I was operating under the assumption that ALL attorneys had amorality as a symptom of their condition.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 05:39:17 PM »
I'm with some of the rest of you, this makes no sense.  He has debt, so she quit claims the property to him.

That's just weird.

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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 06:07:34 PM »
She quit claimed it to him to avoid her debts?
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2009, 08:12:02 PM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on February 12, 2009, 04:21:16 PM
I was operating under the assumption that ALL attorneys had amorality as a symptom of their condition.

That is not at all the case, however most of us are not in it for our health or as a hobby, either.  The people who really believe that idea share much in common with the primitives and their perceptions of other Capitalists such as landlords and small business owners.  Unfortunately there are many attorneys who do indeed have Liberal causes or money alone as primary motivations, and plenty of well-funded Lib foundations in the first case and greedy plaintiffs in the second (or even honest plaintiffs who believe they've been truly wronged, as some of them have) to support them.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2009, 12:15:08 AM »
My opinion is they are both "slip and fall" lawyers if indeed she is actually a lawyer. I couldn't imagine being married to this *itch!

It has been my experience during divorce, or after, that the male of the species, gets absolutely ****ED!

I have 2 best friends, who I have known for over 20 years, got royally screwed by liberal judges! I knew both their wives, too! When it came to divorce, they turned into GODZILLA!!! Even they know they went overboard, but the judge let them and they took advantage with no remorse whatsoever!
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2009, 09:00:21 AM »
I suspect she has never been a trial lawyer at all, but either a bureaucrat or even never actually employed in a real attorney position (maybe some glorified paralegal work or some job entirely unrelated to law) 

In fact I would venture to guess her family put her through law school with the idea it would enable her to be an astute manager of their rental properties and build on their success.  If so her 'employment' has likely consisted of simply being a property manager with a JD, who leveraged the assets entrusted to her to the hilt to pay herself an 'appropriate' wage for her 'attorney' skillz.
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Re: primitive sells joint with oppressive husband
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2009, 10:03:37 AM »
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2. Gotcha, Sheila.

We're both attorneys. Name WAS on house,25 years ago, joint tenancy. He begged me last year to sign quit claim so he could avoid a debt of some kind; never really explained it, but he made such a fuss, included getting our daughters to beg me, that I signed.


This entire statement is confusing. It reads as if she had a legal claim 25 years ago, and not for the last 25 years.
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