http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4613821Oh my.
I'm not exactly sure what to make of this bonfire.
The subway cat as usual posts excerpts from various moonbatted places (not included here):
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-08-08 10:19 PM
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Forced electroshock is happening in America...
MindFreedom International - Ray Alert #5
Win Human Rights in Mental Health - Please Forward!
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #5
14. Not all the time is it last resort
And mental illness as a "brain chemical" thing has been DEBUNKED.
That is why Zoloft and other anti depressants cannot say that in their ads anymore.
I think the way we are forced to live and abuse makes mental illness happen,other than trauma/brain injuries/environmental toxins..
Shock treatment is barbaric. It's like kicking a delicate powerful computer with your boot , because it starts having reactions because the electricity into the building is surging and it has no surge protection plug..
This blaming the illness on the patient alone shit has got to end.Bio psych is crap.
Look at how the pharma industry handles objections to "symptom suppression" They never say, Feel bad? Here,get drunk/high.".Nah they are not that honest, they babble out "You suffer from clinical depression It is proven scientifically that clinical depression is caused by insufficient serotonin in your brain" Then they sell you with "We have a NEW drug that will remedy that scarcity in YOUR brain we think YOU have" (They NEVER say, "You have a ZOLOFT deficiency!", though that's what the bio-psych argument is.) Why is it more scientific to say the lie about serotonin than saying, "You feel bad? Get drunk/high?
Or they say, you are"clinically depressed",let's try running electric shocks through your brain to induce a seizure and see if that does anything.
Yeah ECT is real science..
My ass it's barbaric.Just like they callesd it science when "therapy" was to torture people in asylums long ago to"fix them".
I know people don't like hearing it but it's true Drug companies profit alot by pushing the bio - psych model,and the bio psych model leaves out the issues of authoritarianism,a sick society,sick parenting, and other forms of abuse out of the equation of mental illness. Nobody lives in a vacuum.But I have my own thoughts and my own observations I have made.Not everyone will agree or like it,and that does not bother me at all.
What is psychotherapy? A Friend for hire to talk to ,for people who have trouble dealing with people or who lack social skills to make Friends.
There are OTHER ways to help.
Radical Psychiatry holds that all functional psychiatric difficulties are forms of alienation resulting from the mystified oppression of people who are isolated from each other.
People's alienation is the result of power abuse and is therefore a political matter.
Any person in the practice of psychiatry (Greek; psyche=soul, iatria=healing) becomes involved in the personal politics of those he or she attempts to help, either as an ally or as an oppressor; there is no chance of neutrality for a person with power, in an oppressive situation. In order to be helpful, any person who claims to practice soul healing needs to become an ally against the oppressive influences in the lives of those he or she is attempting to help.
Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #14
39. Mental illness as a brain chemical thing has been debunked?
Wow. I don't even know where to start.
And your sources? My God. Snake oil, anyone?
One gets the impression the Midlothian primitive isn't fond of the subway cat.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #4
16. reboot the brain?
Than how come people with epilepsy have depression still exist?
My brain is alive, it is not a computer.I don't want to play zap roulette. Will it help or will it hurt? After it is done you cannot go back.
The BeHereNow primitive gets complicatedly involved, but as the BeHereNow primitive's all messed up, no point in copying-and-pasting the BeHereNow primitive's comments.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #7
17. And is wildly variable results WORTH the risk.
Of ECT.
One time I was with a different therapist and I was really depressed.
So depressed he suggested ECT. I said no way in hell.
I looked at anything I was doing differently,I was using a new sweetener splenda.It had just come out. So I stopped using it.first the rash on my neck stopped itching,than my skin felt better,
The depression lifted. No ECT required.
And I switched therapists.Pronto.
And my issue is PSTD.
I think the subway cat's issue is sloth and laziness.
But Shelly 0 said we're all going to have to work under the
0bamareich, and so maybe this issue's going away soon.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #11
18. Yep we "loons" are treated as badly as the worst criminals or worse.
and our crime? Thinking differently ,feeling bad, or not being"normal enough". (Normal FYI is a FICTION dreamed up by francis Galton the "father of Eugenics it has become past of the language it is so commonly repeated)or if you are young doing things our parents get upset over.A sentance to the mental hospital has no expiration date,if the shrink wants you confined.A person in prison knows the time they will be in jail,a mental patient has no clue.
Like a dangerous prisoner without being one, I spent 18 months in solitary.Prisons do solitary to PUNISH or CONFINE dangerous or bad prisoners when they stab or rape someone and cannot be trusted around others.
And I don't hurt people,I have not broken the law.I spent 18 months in solitary..For WHAT??!!
They never bothered to tell me..go figure.
Mentally different and psychiatric injured people are treated like shit in this country and the discrimination and stigma in the public on this stuff is very pervasive and everywhere.And then there is Bio-psych. I hate it.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #13
19. Life is radical uncertainty and what risks one takes is up to the person.
Look, if you understand what freedom is,and that it is messy and it isn't always safe,You will get it that ECT and psych drugs being forcibly applied to a person, without consent by law is fascist behavior.Fascist behavior in a free country, is despicable.Even if it is applied to one of those weird "crazy" people that make some people feel uncomfortable it is still fascist behavior.
The person who got ECT you speak of was it forced on her?
Or did she consent to it and just get lucky?
ECT is like playing Russian roulette with your mind.Some win, some win a small relief ,others leave the shock sessions broken.Nobody should be forcing that kind of risk on another person's mind or body against their will.Period.That is the definition of TORTURE.It violates consent,the will, the mind, and the body of the person being forced..
Uh-oh. A couple of Fat Ches in the punch bowl pop up.
Kaleva (166 posts) Tue Dec-09-08 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #19
24. I learned long ago...
not to make judgments based on info posted on forums.
Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #24
45. That's often a good idea!
And then Ms. Ed the unappellated eohippus:
Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 05:20 AM
Response to Original message
34. Very early in my career
I had a patient that was receiving EST...I had to take him down to the surgery suite and he begged me the entire way not to do it.
It was terrible.
Well, yeah, it probably was, and it's all very sad, but given that Ms. Ed is an abortion enthusiast, one wonders why her lack of concern for infants begging to not be killed.
