primitives squibble-squabble about certificates of birth

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4279393

Oh my.

Paint It Black (1000+ posts)      Tue Oct-21-08 09:40 AM
Original message
 
How come Obama wont' release his Certificate of Live Birth?

How can we tell if he was born alive if he won't release a certificate of live birth? If he won't release his Certificate of Live Birth, then how do we know that he's not some extraterrestrial creature bent on subduing mankind?

Really, the things that Reich-wingers will come up with! They seriously want to quibble over a Certificate of Live Birth? Is there really any doubt that he survived birth?

It's a very large bonfire, mostly dribble and spittle and nonsense, so only the Primitives of Prominence (and the original poster, not a Primitive of Prominence) are worth quoting.

Paint It Black (1000+ posts)      Tue Oct-21-08 09:58 AM
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17. If your parents are American citizens, it doesn't matter where you're born

Obama's mother was a US citizen, so it's a moot point. He could have been born on Mars, and it wouldn't matter.

Okay, so I'm observing this bonfire as I'm copying-and-pasting to here.

The pollen primitive, the primitive who Hates small-town folk, is there, involved in an argument with the ice cream primitive.  The pollen primitive's a Primitive of Prominence, but the argument isn't worth the depreciation on the keyboard, bringing it here. 

So, to continue on:

Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-21-08 10:47 AM
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42. Wrong. His mother would still have been a US citizen granting him US citizenship at birth. That's how it works.

He could have been born on Mars and he'd still be a US citizen from birth.

They're just tying themselves into knots because they want to pretend he was born Muslim in a Muslim country.

Never mind their own candidate is Panamanian by birth and only a US citizen because of the same "technicality" regarding his parents.

It's transparent. It's stupid. It's typically right wing.

Then the maharani primitive, the lioness primitive, butts in, but never mind.

madokie  (1000+ posts)      Tue Oct-21-08 09:48 AM
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10. I'd be screwed because I didn't get a birth certificate until I was going into the navy

I was born at home out in the sticks. The doctor that delivered me came by horseback, too much snow to get a car in back there at the time.

By the time I got a birth certificate the doc who delivered me had been dead for years too so it was mom and dads word that I was even born

Well, I've reached the end of the bonfire; not many Primitives of Prominence there.

[JohnnyReb]

 If your parents are American citizens, it doesn't matter where you're born

Obama's mother was a US citizen, so it's a moot point. He could have been born on Mars, and it wouldn't matter.

AND YOU'RE DAMN WRONG.

If he was not born in the states, he ain't a US citizen by birth. For him to be born outside the US and be a citizen he has to have TWO, that's 2, parents of US citizenship. "ONE" US parent does not make it so.

[franksolich]

If your parents are American citizens, it doesn't matter where you're born

Obama's mother was a US citizen, so it's a moot point. He could have been born on Mars, and it wouldn't matter.

AND YOU'RE DAMN WRONG.

If he was not born in the states, he ain't a US citizen by birth. For him to be born outside the US and be a citizen he has to have TWO, that's 2, parents of US citizenship. "ONE" US parent does not make it so.

It's my understanding--which is not thorough, of course--that one American parent is sufficient.

However, it's also my understanding that the one American parent has to be an adult, of legal age.

The Big Zero's mother, an American citizen, was still a minor (although just barely) when she delivered her bundle of joy.

[Chris_]

It's my understanding--which is not thorough, of course--that one American parent is sufficient.

However, it's also my understanding that the one American parent has to be an adult, of legal age.

The Big Zero's mother, an American citizen, was still a minor (although just barely) when she delivered her bundle of joy.

Not according to wikipedia.

Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro (November 29, 1942 – November 7, 1995), known as Ann Dunham, and later as Ann Sutoro

snip
Obama was born in August 1961, so she was 18 when he was born.

[franksolich]

Not according to wikipedia. snip
Obama was born in August 1961, so she was 18 when he was born.

Age of majority in 1961 was 21 years.

[tuolumnejim]

I would so love to have someone burn a mole over at the DUmp, I've posted this a few times on different forums.

INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH

(g)a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and


(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. 302 persons born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899 

Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-21-08 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #3

42. Wrong. His mother would still have been a US citizen granting him US citizenship at birth. That's how it works.

He could have been born on Mars and he'd still be a US citizen from birth.

They're just tying themselves into knots because they want to pretend he was born Muslim in a Muslim country.

Never mind their own candidate is Panamanian by birth and only a US citizen because of the same "technicality" regarding his parents.

It's transparent. It's stupid. It's typically right wing.

No thats not how it works DUmbshit, look above.

[Miss Mia]

I would so love to have someone burn a mole over at the DUmp, I've posted this a few times on different forums.

INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH
 
 
No thats not how it works DUmbshit, look above.

That's the wrong law, that took effect after Nov. 14, 1986 so it wouldn't apply to Obama.

What you're trying to reference, I believe, is:  link

December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986

If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.

[tuolumnejim]

Thanks Mia, that looks like it the one I linked to is the current law.

[franksolich]

And here's the kicker:

that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.

"At least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

16 + 5 = 21.