So here we are after less than 11 months

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moniss (8,550 posts)

So here we are after less than 11 months

and we now have US citizens grabbed off the streets, court orders openly disobeyed, media organizations/individuals targeted for censorship, they are making gross attacks on voting rights and elections, killing people on an accusation without providing due process or evidence, agencies gutted, phony prosecutions of political enemies, foreign aid for food and medicine gutted resulting in deaths in the many thousands, food benefits in the US under attack, health care in the US under attack, ending staffing requirements at nursing homes which will allow a return to the horrors of another time, students denied entry because of political opinions, decimation of science based decision making at FDA and HHS, attacks on reproductive health care, attacks on education, attacks on libraries, attacks on nurses and other professions, open extortion of companies/institutions and individuals, termination of efforts regarding climate change, implementation of de facto allowance for discrimination in hiring, suspension of protections for refugees from war torn countries, suspension of immigration from dozens of countries, attacks on LGBTQ+ rights, destruction of historic buildings without prior review, troops on the streets demanding ID/papers from people, goon squads grabbing women and children off the street, decimation of our historic support for our allies, complete alignment of our foreign policy to suit the desires of Russia, trade wars and open extortion for the personal enrichment of the leader of the US and the list goes on with many more things.

So here we are indeed and now comes the news that they now want to compile a listing of organizations that are "anti-American" and we know how broad that definition will be. We also know they don't just want to label organizations that oppose them as "anti-American" but they want to compile lists of people to apply that label to as well. We can be sure that they will be looking at things like reviewing your social media etc. on an ever larger scale than they already do. Back to the Red Scare days and worse.

We see what they are having our military do that's out in the open like the boat attacks. We see what the ICE-American Gestapo and CBP goon squads are doing on the streets of our cities and towns. What do you think they're having the CIA do around the world that we don't see?

Remember back in the Spring when many of us here began warning about how extreme and how fast they would move? Remember when we said vulnerable people should consider their and their loved ones safety and protection and perhaps relocate if possible? They have already announced recently that passports for US citizens may be restricted due to "security" concerns etc.

Some claimed we were being too extreme in our warnings. Others kept reassuring us that "they (the fascists) wouldn't dare" or "couldn't" do this or that because of the courts etc. Certainly we have to continue to fight in the courts, protest and fight in elections but also remember that a court decision or a law doesn't mean that fascists won't do something. It only means they've been told not to. Those orders will only prevent an action if the fascists comply with the order.

We see the videos of US citizens and others dragged out of cars, sometimes windows smashed in, by the goon squads of ICE-American Gestapo and CBP. That horrifying and forever scarring event happened to them despite court orders about conduct etc. The event still happened to them and even if they are able to sue later remember that the scar remains. We all know what's not "supposed to happen" because of laws and the courts and we also know that despite that these horrendous events happen to people anyway at the hands of these fascist goons.

So here we are indeed. Back in the Spring they hadn't done half of what they accelerated to as we went along. But many of us knew that acceleration was coming and that there is no depth to which these fascists will not go. There is no cruelty or vindictiveness that is too far for them. Where will we be in another 11 months? In the land of the "free".

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220854826

DUmmie word salad deluxe

[FlaGator]

That was the most delusional thinking I have seen in a single DU post in a long time.

[ADsOutburst]

There’s more BS in that post than one can tackle in a single post, but…

…phony prosecutions of political enemies…

They don’t name names, but the prosecution of Letitia James, for example, is well-founded. If I’m mot mistaken, her criminal activity wasn’t even uncovered by the Trump administration.

I’m sure Trump does want to see his political enemies punished, but that doesn’t mean those enemies are innocent.

[FlippyDoo]

I stopped reading after the "we now have US citizens grabbed off the streets" phrase. They keep saying that, but they don't really give much evidence of it.

[ADsOutburst]

So here we are after less than 11 months:

Courts trying to stop the President from exercising his rightful powers.

Legitimate legal cases against Trump opponents being thrown out.

Nothing being about people who illegally leak information.

America being hindered in enforcing its immigration laws.

America being prevented from leveling the playing field on trade.

Unelected, extortionist bureaucrats doing everything to maintain their power.

[SVPete]

we now have US citizens grabbed off the streets

Stupidly false.

court orders openly disobeyed

Appealing is not disobeying, DUmmie-moron.

media organizations/individuals targeted for censorship

Name one individual or organization whose content was removed by government action.

they are making gross attacks on voting rights and elections

Stupidly false. Black or Hispanics or Fill in the blank can get ID that complies with voter ID laws as easily as can whites. Rolling absentee voting processes back to what was done for a century or two disenfranchises no one.

killing people on an accusation without providing due process or evidence

What due process was given OBL? ... the terrorists killed by Clinton? ... the terrorists killed by Obama? Additional clue, just because Trump and Hegseth have not made their evidence public does not mean they have none.

agencies gutted

Canning bloat is not gutting. Ending duplication and triplication and quad... is not gutting.

phony prosecutions of political enemies

In the real world, Letitia James and Schifftyroo and Comey are being prosecuted for actual law violations, not for the pretzellated abortions for which Trump was shamprosecuted.

foreign aid for food and medicine gutted resulting in deaths in the many thousands

How is "foreign aid for food and medicine" a legal responsibility/obligation of the US government and not of the nations receiving the aid? Was the aid from the EU, whose population is ~50% greater than the US, also 50% greater than that of the US?

food benefits in the US under attack

Refusing funding to states' programs that violate US law and aid violators of US law is not attacking "food benefits". Requiring able-bodied recipients of aid to work at least 20 hours a week is not attacking "food benefits".

health care in the US under attack

Stopping the "temporary" subsidies of OhBummerDon'tCare plans is not an attack, it's an exposure of how bad those plans are.

ending staffing requirements at nursing homes

Why should the Federal government be regulating what states already regulate? And how will ending that duplication result in "a return to the horrors of another time"?

students denied entry because of political opinions

Why does moniss want foreign students who are antisemitic allowed entry into the US? Why does moniss want foreign students who attacked Jews for being Jewish to stay in the US?

decimation of science based decision making at FDA and HHS

Stupidly false. Improved decision-making standards decimates nothing.

attacks on reproductive health care

Abortion is not "reproductive health care", it's killing a human being. How is funding the casual killing of inconvenient babies an obligation of the US government?

attacks on education

Requiring colleges and universities to end their antisemitism and their discrimination against whites, East Asians, and South Asians is not an "attack on education".

attacks on libraries

Requiring libraries to place books in age-appropriate areas - usually (or always?) done locally rather than Federally - is not an "attack on libraries".

attacks on nurses and other professions

WTH is moniss yammering and blubbering about?

open extortion of companies/institutions and individuals

Really? What has Trump done similar to Clinton's arm-twisting banks into making bad home loans to persons of selected ethnic groups who could not afford the loans, eventually causing the 2008-2009 housing debacle?? What has Trump done similar to Obama's promise - and attempt - to put coal mining companies out of business? ? What has Trump done similar to LIEden arm-twisting banks into debanking certain businesses and conservative organizations and individuals?

termination of efforts regarding climate change

To the extent this is accurate, that is a beneficial accomplishment. 5-6 decades of, "We only have 10 years left!" Chicken-Little-ist wolf-crying is starting to bear long overdue fruit.

implementation of de facto allowance for discrimination in hiring

Stupidly false. Enforcing anti-discrimination laws against companies, organizations, agencies, and institutions that discriminate against white, East and South Asians, Jews, and observant Christians cracks down on, not allows, discrimination.

suspension of protections for refugees from war torn countries

Temporary asylum is supposed to be, surprise! surprise! surprise! TEMPORARY! Why in Hades are "temporary" refugees from the 2010 earthquake still here? For how many years is the US obligated to host Somali refugees? Years? Decades? Generations?

suspension of immigration from dozens of countries

Why does moniss want known terrorists, antisemites, drug dealers, human traffickers, and people who hate the US to enter the US unhindered? Or even at all?

attacks on LGBTQ+ rights

Men who decide to identify as women have no "human right" to enter women's restrooms and locker rooms or play in women's sports (or vice versa). It may be a surprise to moniss, but many feminists, lesbians, and gays - individually and groups - oppose such encroachments.

destruction of historic buildings without prior review

A 1942 office building is not "historic". Deal with it, DU-moron.

troops on the streets demanding ID/papers from people

I guess I can understand police-hating Progs opposing National Guard troops assisting overwhelmed police forces enforce the law and get criminals off US cities' streets.

goon squads grabbing women and children off the street

Stupidly false. Trained ICE, CBP, DHS, and FBI personnel are doing selective raids. On the order of 70% of those they arrest have criminal records, ranging from DUIs to rape and murder. The remaining ~30% were persons illegally present who had not committed - or gotten caught committing - a crime (possibly, yet).

decimation of our historic support for our allies

Stupidly false. Simply. Contrary. To. Fact.

complete alignment of our foreign policy to suit the desires of Russia

The US, under Trump as well as under LIEden, has provided Ukraine weapons and ammunition, and intelligence about Russian military maneuvers and basing. The US, under Trump, has urged and assisted other European countries to supply weapons, etc. to Ukraine. How does that " suit the desires of Russia"? The US, under Trump, has imposed restrictions on Russian imports of technology, hamstringing Russia's manufacture of modern armaments. How does that " suit the desires of Russia"? The US, under Trump, has imposed, not entirely successfully, an embargo on Russia's oil exports. How does that " suit the desires of Russia"?

trade wars

In the real world, Trump has arm-twisted nations into dropping or lowering their tariffs against US goods and commodities. In the long run, if that was a "trade war", both nations won.

open extortion for the personal enrichment of the leader of the US

Stupidly false. Try naming an instance of "extortion for the personal enrichment".

[CC27]

Stupidly false.

Appealing is not disobeying, DUmmie-moron.

Name one individual or organization whose content was removed by government action.

Stupidly false. Black or Hispanics or Fill in the blank can get ID that complies with voter ID laws as easily as can whites. Rolling absentee voting processes back to what was done for a century or two disenfranchises no one.

What due process was given OBL? ... the terrorists killed by Clinton? ... the terrorists killed by Obama? Additional clue, just because Trump and Hegseth have not made their evidence public does not mean they have none.

Canning bloat is not gutting. Ending duplication and triplication and quad... is not gutting.

In the real world, Letitia James and Schifftyroo and Comey are being prosecuted for actual law violations, not for the pretzellated abortions for which Trump was shamprosecuted.

How is "foreign aid for food and medicine" a legal responsibility/obligation of the US government and not of the nations receiving the aid? Was the aid from the EU, whose population is ~50% greater than the US, also 50% greater than that of the US?

Refusing funding to states' programs that violate US law and aid violators of US law is not attacking "food benefits". Requiring able-bodied recipients of aid to work at least 20 hours a week is not attacking "food benefits".

Stopping the "temporary" subsidies of OhBummerDon'tCare plans is not an attack, it's an exposure of how bad those plans are.

Why should the Federal government be regulating what states already regulate? And how will ending that duplication result in "a return to the horrors of another time"?

Why does moniss want foreign students who are antisemitic allowed entry into the US? Why does moniss want foreign students who attacked Jews for being Jewish to stay in the US?

Stupidly false. Improved decision-making standards decimates nothing.

Abortion is not "reproductive health care", it's killing a human being. How is funding the casual killing of inconvenient babies an obligation of the US government?

Requiring colleges and universities to end their antisemitism and their discrimination against whites, East Asians, and South Asians is not an "attack on education".

Requiring libraries to place books in age-appropriate areas - usually (or always?) done locally rather than Federally - is not an "attack on libraries".

WTH is moniss yammering and blubbering about?

Really? What has Trump done similar to Clinton's arm-twisting banks into making bad home loans to persons of selected ethnic groups who could not afford the loans, eventually causing the 2008-2009 housing debacle?? What has Trump done similar to Obama's promise - and attempt - to put coal mining companies out of business? ? What has Trump done similar to LIEden arm-twisting banks into debanking certain businesses and conservative organizations and individuals?

To the extent this is accurate, that is a beneficial accomplishment. 5-6 decades of, "We only have 10 years left!" Chicken-Little-ist wolf-crying is starting to bear long overdue fruit.

Stupidly false. Enforcing anti-discrimination laws against companies, organizations, agencies, and institutions that discriminate against white, East and South Asians, Jews, and observant Christians cracks down on, not allows, discrimination.

Temporary asylum is supposed to be, surprise! surprise! surprise! TEMPORARY! Why in Hades are "temporary" refugees from the 2010 earthquake still here? For how many years is the US obligated to host Somali refugees? Years? Decades? Generations?

Why does moniss want known terrorists, antisemites, drug dealers, human traffickers, and people who hate the US to enter the US unhindered? Or even at all?

Men who decide to identify as women have no "human right" to enter women's restrooms and locker rooms or play in women's sports (or vice versa). It may be a surprise to moniss, but many feminists, lesbians, and gays - individually and groups - oppose such encroachments.

A 1942 office building is not "historic". Deal with it, DU-moron.

I guess I can understand police-hating Progs opposing National Guard troops assisting overwhelmed police forces enforce the law and get criminals off US cities' streets.

Stupidly false. Trained ICE, CBP, DHS, and FBI personnel are doing selective raids. On the order of 70% of those they arrest have criminal records, ranging from DUIs to rape and murder. The remaining ~30% were persons illegally present who had not committed - or gotten caught committing - a crime (possibly, yet).

Stupidly false. Simply. Contrary. To. Fact.

The US, under Trump as well as under LIEden, has provided Ukraine weapons and ammunition, and intelligence about Russian military maneuvers and basing. The US, under Trump, has urged and assisted other European countries to supply weapons, etc. to Ukraine. How does that " suit the desires of Russia"? The US, under Trump, has imposed restrictions on Russian imports of technology, hamstringing Russia's manufacture of modern armaments. How does that " suit the desires of Russia"? The US, under Trump, has imposed, not entirely successfully, an embargo on Russia's oil exports. How does that " suit the desires of Russia"?

In the real world, Trump has arm-twisted nations into dropping or lowering their tariffs against US goods and commodities. In the long run, if that was a "trade war", both nations won.

Stupidly false. Try naming an instance of "extortion for the personal enrichment".

High Five

[CollectivismMustDie]

Stupidly false.

Appealing is not disobeying, DUmmie-moron.

Name one individual or organization whose content was removed by government action.

Stupidly false. Black or Hispanics or Fill in the blank can get ID that complies with voter ID laws as easily as can whites. Rolling absentee voting processes back to what was done for a century or two disenfranchises no one.

What due process was given OBL? ... the terrorists killed by Clinton? ... the terrorists killed by Obama? Additional clue, just because Trump and Hegseth have not made their evidence public does not mean they have none.

Canning bloat is not gutting. Ending duplication and triplication and quad... is not gutting.

In the real world, Letitia James and Schifftyroo and Comey are being prosecuted for actual law violations, not for the pretzellated abortions for which Trump was shamprosecuted.

How is "foreign aid for food and medicine" a legal responsibility/obligation of the US government and not of the nations receiving the aid? Was the aid from the EU, whose population is ~50% greater than the US, also 50% greater than that of the US?

Refusing funding to states' programs that violate US law and aid violators of US law is not attacking "food benefits". Requiring able-bodied recipients of aid to work at least 20 hours a week is not attacking "food benefits".

Stopping the "temporary" subsidies of OhBummerDon'tCare plans is not an attack, it's an exposure of how bad those plans are.

Why should the Federal government be regulating what states already regulate? And how will ending that duplication result in "a return to the horrors of another time"?

Why does moniss want foreign students who are antisemitic allowed entry into the US? Why does moniss want foreign students who attacked Jews for being Jewish to stay in the US?

Stupidly false. Improved decision-making standards decimates nothing.

Abortion is not "reproductive health care", it's killing a human being. How is funding the casual killing of inconvenient babies an obligation of the US government?

Requiring colleges and universities to end their antisemitism and their discrimination against whites, East Asians, and South Asians is not an "attack on education".

Requiring libraries to place books in age-appropriate areas - usually (or always?) done locally rather than Federally - is not an "attack on libraries".

WTH is moniss yammering and blubbering about?

Really? What has Trump done similar to Clinton's arm-twisting banks into making bad home loans to persons of selected ethnic groups who could not afford the loans, eventually causing the 2008-2009 housing debacle?? What has Trump done similar to Obama's promise - and attempt - to put coal mining companies out of business? ? What has Trump done similar to LIEden arm-twisting banks into debanking certain businesses and conservative organizations and individuals?

To the extent this is accurate, that is a beneficial accomplishment. 5-6 decades of, "We only have 10 years left!" Chicken-Little-ist wolf-crying is starting to bear long overdue fruit.

Stupidly false. Enforcing anti-discrimination laws against companies, organizations, agencies, and institutions that discriminate against white, East and South Asians, Jews, and observant Christians cracks down on, not allows, discrimination.

Temporary asylum is supposed to be, surprise! surprise! surprise! TEMPORARY! Why in Hades are "temporary" refugees from the 2010 earthquake still here? For how many years is the US obligated to host Somali refugees? Years? Decades? Generations?

Why does moniss want known terrorists, antisemites, drug dealers, human traffickers, and people who hate the US to enter the US unhindered? Or even at all?

Men who decide to identify as women have no "human right" to enter women's restrooms and locker rooms or play in women's sports (or vice versa). It may be a surprise to moniss, but many feminists, lesbians, and gays - individually and groups - oppose such encroachments.

A 1942 office building is not "historic". Deal with it, DU-moron.

I guess I can understand police-hating Progs opposing National Guard troops assisting overwhelmed police forces enforce the law and get criminals off US cities' streets.

Stupidly false. Trained ICE, CBP, DHS, and FBI personnel are doing selective raids. On the order of 70% of those they arrest have criminal records, ranging from DUIs to rape and murder. The remaining ~30% were persons illegally present who had not committed - or gotten caught committing - a crime (possibly, yet).

Stupidly false. Simply. Contrary. To. Fact.

The US, under Trump as well as under LIEden, has provided Ukraine weapons and ammunition, and intelligence about Russian military maneuvers and basing. The US, under Trump, has urged and assisted other European countries to supply weapons, etc. to Ukraine. How does that " suit the desires of Russia"? The US, under Trump, has imposed restrictions on Russian imports of technology, hamstringing Russia's manufacture of modern armaments. How does that " suit the desires of Russia"? The US, under Trump, has imposed, not entirely successfully, an embargo on Russia's oil exports. How does that " suit the desires of Russia"?

In the real world, Trump has arm-twisted nations into dropping or lowering their tariffs against US goods and commodities. In the long run, if that was a "trade war", both nations won.

Stupidly false. Try naming an instance of "extortion for the personal enrichment".

That was a great commercial back in the day.

[SVPete]

That was a great commercial back in the day.

Robert Conrad (aka James West) was perfect for the part.

[Ralph Wiggum]

The ENTIRE DUMMY LIST OF "STATEMENTS ARE" Stupidly false.

Fixed it for you, and a well-deserved H5 for such a diligent job for the rebuttal. And Robert Conrad in the Eveready ad.

[SVPete]

Fixed it for you, and a well-deserved H5 for such a diligent job for the rebuttal. And Robert Conrad in the Eveready ad.

That definitely is a Readers Digest version of my post!

[DUmpDiver]

It's awesome that we get another 37 months of Trump putting America first.

[67 Rover]

killing people on an accusation without providing due process or evidence

Video of those poor "fishermen" throwing their "fish" overboard.  Nope no evidence here.


https://x.com/Notwokenow/status/1998390055467876773?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1998390055467876773%7Ctwgr%5E7aea0f21493bee8f949cd371a2f4212543c6b292%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdroppings.com%2Frant%2Fpolitics%2Fvenezuelan-fishing-boat-throwing-catch-overboard-%2F121797802%2F

[SVPete]

There's a lot of backing and forthing about what orders were given by whom, but the missions would have two goals: destroy the boat; destroy the cargo. It the first hit did not destroy both - e.g. the boat was salvageable or some containers of drugs could be recovered, then hits would be repeated till all was destroyed. Whether from a missile or by drowning, the smugglers on the boat were not going to survive.

It takes a lot of Trump-hate to sympathize with the drug smugglers. And if they left behind widows or orphans, that was a risk they assumed in their choice of profession.

[Carl]

Eat shit and die DUmbass

[CollectivismMustDie]

Robert Conrad (aka James West) was perfect for the part.

AKA Pappy Boyington, too.

[DLR Pyro]

moniss (8,550 posts)

So here we are after less than 11 months

and we now have US citizens grabbed off the streets,

....snip...

 In the land of the "free".

“What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
― Billy Madison (movie)