Sarah Palin brings the Hillary Clinton era to an end

[bijou]

She wasn’t going to “stay home and bake cookies”, she was going to reform the health-care system: if we elected her husband, we were thus going to get “two for the price of one”. With those words, Hillary Clinton launched herself into America’s national consciousness, and began a political career that very nearly brought her the Democratic presidential nomination earlier this year. Though she lost that contest, along the way she succeeded in making herself into something more than an ordinary woman in politics. She became an archetype, the Female American Politician.


More than that: she became the archetype of the Powerful American Woman. She herself once explained the hostility she inspires as the misdirected fury of men who were angry at a “female boss” or other female authority figure. They felt bad about being subordinate to a woman at work, so they took it out on her.


This was not entirely accurate: some people disliked Hillary just because she was Hillary. But it’s true that her personal style – frequently chilly, determinedly frumpy, visibly calculating, pointedly humourless – did come to seem like a kind of norm. That’s why, when she lost the Democratic nomination, it wasn’t hard for some to see it as a defeat for all women. If Hillary couldn’t make it in national politics, her disappointed supporters declared, then no woman could.


As anybody who has been watching the news for the past week will already know, that statement turned out to be dead wrong. As it turns out, there are numerous ways for women to be politically powerful in America, and they don’t all involve wearing shapeless trouser suits and looking frosty: Sarah Palin, enter stage right.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/republicans/2694630/Sarah-Palin-brings-the-Hillary-Clinton-era-to-an-end.html

[Baruch Menachem]

I for one, won't miss it.


The important thing about this article is it recognizes the problems with Hillary were not her femininity, which was negligible, but her political views and her personality.  She was a far left nasty pain in the ass, which most people dislike irrespective of gender.

Given Palin's politics, she might have a lot of similar problems.  She is pretty far to the right.  I don't have a problem with that, but she might later on during the campaign if the Oboma people ever decide to talk issues.   But she is not going to say "Be nice to be because I am a girl, even though I am the nastiest bitch to ever skin a grizzly bear"   That is a huge difference from Hillary right there.  That is her big positive.   She is very feminine, but she stands tall in her own two high heels, something Hillary could never accomplish.

[Servonaut]

Thanks for the link bijou.  It's a very good article.

But did you see this one at the same link ?

Celia Walden's verdict on the Sarah Palin look

"Palin wants it to look as if she's too busy to spend time on her hair, but this style would take a good hour to do at home," says Brendan Fowles at Daniel Galvin who "barracuda'd me" for the princely sum of £75. "She's got very good hair but you need to put curlers in the whole head first, to get the volume, tie it tightly into a pony-tail and then pin down the bits at the back so that they look artfully tousled. The look is feminine without being feminine but quite repressed, and because of that oddly sexy."

Odd? Definitely. Sexy? No. But I left the salon feeling righteous, bossier than a sat-nav and dangerously contained.

The look Mrs Palin has perfected, offering the world a tantalising glimpse of her inner fox, is a winner. Her husband is the only one who gets the barracuda unleashed. Poor wholesome Todd had better not let the side down or Sarah'll get her gun.

 

[bijou]

Thanks for the link bijou.  It's a very good article.

But did you see this one at the same link ?

Celia Walden's verdict on the Sarah Palin look

"Palin wants it to look as if she's too busy to spend time on her hair, but this style would take a good hour to do at home," says Brendan Fowles at Daniel Galvin who "barracuda'd me" for the princely sum of £75. "She's got very good hair but you need to put curlers in the whole head first, to get the volume, tie it tightly into a pony-tail and then pin down the bits at the back so that they look artfully tousled. The look is feminine without being feminine but quite repressed, and because of that oddly sexy."

Odd? Definitely. Sexy? No. But I left the salon feeling righteous, bossier than a sat-nav and dangerously contained.

The look Mrs Palin has perfected, offering the world a tantalising glimpse of her inner fox, is a winner. Her husband is the only one who gets the barracuda unleashed. Poor wholesome Todd had better not let the side down or Sarah'll get her gun.

 

The beehive will be the next big thing. 

[anne995]

Well for all the reasons people don't like senator Clinton, it did take exactly 1 senator Clinton to have made it this far, and she has come closer to the Presidency than any other woman. So maybe everything she is, is exactly what it took.

And as far as her policies, I know the right loves to hate her, but she believes so strongly in improving the lives of children and families, and improving healthcare and eduction, and has always worked hard for those things, even though she's worked for her own power as well. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for Barack Obama and a heck of a lot of other Democrats.

And maybe she rubbed some people the wrong way, but she has a lot more guts than a ton of other people that are easier going. People like Kerry and Obama are annoying little pansies, I'll take watching someone like Sen. Clinton over them any day.

I for one, won't miss it.


The important thing about this article is it recognizes the problems with Hillary were not her femininity, which was negligible, but her political views and her personality.  She was a far left nasty pain in the ass, which most people dislike irrespective of gender.

Given Palin's politics, she might have a lot of similar problems.  She is pretty far to the right.  I don't have a problem with that, but she might later on during the campaign if the Oboma people ever decide to talk issues.   But she is not going to say "Be nice to be because I am a girl, even though I am the nastiest bitch to ever skin a grizzly bear"   That is a huge difference from Hillary right there.  That is her big positive.   She is very feminine, but she stands tall in her own two high heels, something Hillary could never accomplish.

[Chris_]

Well for all the reasons people don't like senator Clinton, it did take exactly 1 senator Clinton to have made it this far, and she has come closer to the Presidency than any other woman. So maybe everything she is, is exactly what it took.

And as far as her policies, I know the right loves to hate her, but she believes so strongly in improving the lives of children and families, and improving healthcare and eduction, and has always worked hard for those things, even though she's worked for her own power as well. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for Barack Obama and a heck of a lot of other Democrats.

And maybe she rubbed some people the wrong way, but she has a lot more guts than a ton of other people that are easier going. People like Kerry and Obama are annoying little pansies, I'll take watching someone like Sen. Clinton over them any day.

I see you are repeating the dimocratics talking points.

mrs. clinton cares about NO ONE but herself and her power.  She uses children as props, she doesn't "improve their lives" unless there is something in it for her.  Start with that commie "it takes a village" crap and go from there.

I think you might be on the wrong board.

[Lord Undies]

Well for all the reasons people don't like senator Clinton, it did take exactly 1 senator Clinton to have made it this far, and she has come closer to the Presidency than any other woman. So maybe everything she is, is exactly what it took.

And as far as her policies, I know the right loves to hate her, but she believes so strongly in improving the lives of children and families, and improving healthcare and eduction, and has always worked hard for those things, even though she's worked for her own power as well. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for Barack Obama and a heck of a lot of other Democrats.

And maybe she rubbed some people the wrong way, but she has a lot more guts than a ton of other people that are easier going. People like Kerry and Obama are annoying little pansies, I'll take watching someone like Sen. Clinton over them any day.

I see you are repeating the dimocratics talking points.

mrs. clinton cares about NO ONE but herself and her power.  She uses children as props, she doesn't "improve their lives" unless there is something in it for her.  Start with that commie "it takes a village" crap and go from there.

I think you might be on the wrong board.

I'm glad I read your post before I jumped to answer anne995's misinformed and misleading prattle.  I hate to duplicate.

It is the liberals who see women/femininity as weak.  That is why most liberal women shun fashion, makeup, basic grooming, and body hygiene.  They are scared to death to "pretty-up" because they know their fellow travellers on the left will consider them weak.  That Amy Goodman woman is a good example.  I don't think she even washes her hair and she's on TELEVISION for cripe's sake.

On the other side of that coin, conservative woman have nothing to fear.  They can be their best inside and outside and they know they will be accepted for who and what they are.

[anne995]

I've said before here i am a democrat. I was just trying to offer an alternative view of someone. I came to this board to find the republicans points of views on McCain and the republican party. For a little while i saw that a lot of democratic propoganda is just that. But I see hatred is just the same on this board as the grotesque dem boards i've been on where they rip into mccain and palin in really unneccesary ways. I don't go to those boards anymore, i find their unilateral hatred unacceptable. but it seems it's like that everywhere. Hopefully there is a republican board somewhere where i can get good McCain information without the rest.

Well for all the reasons people don't like senator Clinton, it did take exactly 1 senator Clinton to have made it this far, and she has come closer to the Presidency than any other woman. So maybe everything she is, is exactly what it took.

And as far as her policies, I know the right loves to hate her, but she believes so strongly in improving the lives of children and families, and improving healthcare and eduction, and has always worked hard for those things, even though she's worked for her own power as well. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for Barack Obama and a heck of a lot of other Democrats.

And maybe she rubbed some people the wrong way, but she has a lot more guts than a ton of other people that are easier going. People like Kerry and Obama are annoying little pansies, I'll take watching someone like Sen. Clinton over them any day.

I see you are repeating the dimocratics talking points.

mrs. clinton cares about NO ONE but herself and her power.  She uses children as props, she doesn't "improve their lives" unless there is something in it for her.  Start with that commie "it takes a village" crap and go from there.

I think you might be on the wrong board.

[anne995]

Actually, I am very feminine and have a ton of makeup and skincare, as well as tons of high-end high heels. i find the type of female you describe are actually big Obama fans, because they are more a theme than real thinkers and not only do they tend to eat up what the media says and go straight for mysogenist obama and his media fanclub but they also feel threatened by females who speak their mind. They are the same idiots that are tearing apart Palin just because they think her views are wrong, instead of appreciating that she is not to be messed with. Which is what i like about Palin. seeing her speech, i've never seen anything like it. But the same people that tried to tear HRC down are the same a--holes that are doing the same to Palin, and i've been writing media telling them what i think of them the same way i have for HRC. I've been going to a lot of republican and mccain events lately and have met a lot of people who don't hate HRC, they dislike her for all the reasons many conservatives have, but a lot gained respect for her because of how hard she fought. Not everyone unilaterally hates her.

Well for all the reasons people don't like senator Clinton, it did take exactly 1 senator Clinton to have made it this far, and she has come closer to the Presidency than any other woman. So maybe everything she is, is exactly what it took.

And as far as her policies, I know the right loves to hate her, but she believes so strongly in improving the lives of children and families, and improving healthcare and eduction, and has always worked hard for those things, even though she's worked for her own power as well. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for Barack Obama and a heck of a lot of other Democrats.

And maybe she rubbed some people the wrong way, but she has a lot more guts than a ton of other people that are easier going. People like Kerry and Obama are annoying little pansies, I'll take watching someone like Sen. Clinton over them any day.

I see you are repeating the dimocratics talking points.

mrs. clinton cares about NO ONE but herself and her power.  She uses children as props, she doesn't "improve their lives" unless there is something in it for her.  Start with that commie "it takes a village" crap and go from there.

I think you might be on the wrong board.

I'm glad I read your post before I jumped to answer anne995's misinformed and misleading prattle.  I hate to duplicate.

It is the liberals who see women/femininity as weak.  That is why most liberal women shun fashion, makeup, basic grooming, and body hygiene.  They are scared to death to "pretty-up" because they know their fellow travellers on the left will consider them weak.  That Amy Goodman woman is a good example.  I don't think she even washes her hair and she's on TELEVISION for cripe's sake.

On the other side of that coin, conservative woman have nothing to fear.  They can be their best inside and outside and they know they will be accepted for who and what they are.

[Chris_]

And as far as her policies, I know the right loves to hate her, but she believes so strongly in improving the lives of children and families, and improving healthcare and eduction, and has always worked hard for those things,

You don't really believe that, do you?

[anne995]

do you really believe she is all bad?

why was she the chairman of the childrens defense fund? why did she work on studies of neglected children during college and afterwards. I won't mention a ton of things, because i know it will make you all want to vomit, and i also am aware that she wants power.

I know she called a strike in her college until they promised to admit more black students and hire more teachers. I know her recent healthcare plan was very politically unpopular and would have probably been the very thing that would have her lose the election had she gotten the nomination. but it was the only way to have everyone get healthcare. i didn't particularly agree with mandates, but it is very telling that she would add it if she didn't really care. If she didn't care, and it would only hurt her, why do it? Honestly, i could tell you tons of things she's done that aren't for power, but i know how much the right despises her so i won't put it on the board, but people like Nancy Pelosi are crazy about power, people like Clyburn and others, and *they* are foul in my opinion. But again, i have no illusions about HRC, i know she wants power, but that doens't mean it's the ONLY thing she wants. Unlike Obama, she works her a-- off, unlike Clyburn as well. I was just saying, originally that, even lets say it's about Power, maybe it took someone so focused on that to become the first women to have a shot of being president.

And as far as her policies, I know the right loves to hate her, but she believes so strongly in improving the lives of children and families, and improving healthcare and eduction, and has always worked hard for those things,

You don't really believe that, do you?

[Baruch Menachem]

This discussion is going two interesting ways...

One, most of us think Hillary's  policies were objectively wrong to achieve the stated goals.  I don't believe in objective misogynists out to destroy children.  There are policies that move the right direction, and policies that bring about disaster.  Most of Hillary's ideas were the later type.   Your Milage may vary.

As to whether Hillary helped women or hurt them in equal rights ways I also have my doubts.  She rode her husband  to where she needed to go. She did very little on her own.  The Reverse is true of Sara Palin. She got there by herself without being co anything with anybody.

[Lord Undies]

Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton is a ideologically driven lesbian without concern for anyone or anything but her personal goals, which are all anti-American and useless to free people everywhere.  The "work" the woman has done is always a step to another calculated step.  Clinton uses people (and the children) for toilet paper.  

Everything in Hillary Clinton's life has been designed to realize her dreams.  This includes the marriage/business arrangement she made with William Clinton.  Even Clinton's own daughter (who has dubious origins) has never been close to her.  Chelsea is a prop in Hillary's life.

Anyone who has spent one ounce of intellectual time researching Hillary Clinton knows these things.  Clinton's real life, the one she pretends doesn't exist, is well documented and confirmed.  

Hillary Clinton can be summed up in one word:  Dishonest.

[Chris_]

I know she called a strike in her college until they promised to admit more black students and hire more teachers.

proof?

I know her recent healthcare plan was very politically unpopular and would have probably been the very thing that would have her lose the election had she gotten the nomination. but it was the only way to have everyone get healthcare.

Bullshit.

[anne995]

1. NYT wrote about it in an article about her, and they are not her shills, they are obama lovers. and 2, mandates are the fastest way to lose an election. Require everyone to buy health insurance? you think that would be popular?

I know she called a strike in her college until they promised to admit more black students and hire more teachers.

proof?

I know her recent healthcare plan was very politically unpopular and would have probably been the very thing that would have her lose the election had she gotten the nomination. but it was the only way to have everyone get healthcare.

Bullshit.

[Chris_]

do you really believe she is all bad?

She is pure evil.

why was she the chairman of the childrens defense fund? why did she work on studies of neglected children during college and afterwards.

Because "it is for the children" is the battle cry of the loonie left and the best way to garner power.

I won't mention a ton of things, because i know it will make you all want to vomit, and i also am aware that she wants power.

Her entire "experience" is being married to a serial philanderer and few years as a caretbagger.

I know she called a strike in her.... (blah blah blah)

But again, i have no illusions about HRC, i know she wants power, but that doens't mean it's the ONLY thing she wants.

You DO have illusions.  It completely about power.  100%

Unlike Obama, she works her a-- off, unlike Clyburn as well. I was just saying, originally that, even lets say it's about Power, maybe it took someone so focused on that to become the first women to have a shot of being president.

She saw a vacuum and filled it. 

[dandi]

1. NYT wrote about it in an article about her

The NYT has serious credibility problems, you may want to pick another source.  Also, if you think that the NYT is no fan of hers, you must have missed the moral and mental gymnastics, as well as the willful suspension of disbelief, to endorse her candidacy as Senator.

Require everyone to buy health insurance? you think that would be popular?

How about getting everyone to not look to the government for their needs?  How about bringing back ideas like personal responsibility, common sense, and self reliance?

[Lanie]

I wouldn't say that Palin brings the Hillary era to an end. Hillary has a lot of fight left in her. If Obama loses, I think Clinton will for for it in 2012. If that's the case, I look forward to seeing Clinton and Palin go at it.

[DixieBelle]

I find it highly ironic that Hillary only made it as far as she did because of the Mrs. in front of her name.

[miskie]

Thanks for the link bijou.  It's a very good article.

But did you see this one at the same link ?

Celia Walden's verdict on the Sarah Palin look

"Palin wants it to look as if she's too busy to spend time on her hair, but this style would take a good hour to do at home," says Brendan Fowles at Daniel Galvin who "barracuda'd me" for the princely sum of £75. "She's got very good hair but you need to put curlers in the whole head first, to get the volume, tie it tightly into a pony-tail and then pin down the bits at the back so that they look artfully tousled. The look is feminine without being feminine but quite repressed, and because of that oddly sexy."

Odd? Definitely. Sexy? No. But I left the salon feeling righteous, bossier than a sat-nav and dangerously contained.

The look Mrs Palin has perfected, offering the world a tantalising glimpse of her inner fox, is a winner. Her husband is the only one who gets the barracuda unleashed. Poor wholesome Todd had better not let the side down or Sarah'll get her gun.

 

My Opinion..

Her hair makes me think of so many 80's movies about the geek girl - where at some point when she comes out of her shell she will put on a sexy black dress, take off the glasses, unpin her hair and shake it out in slow motion. SHAZAM!  Instant hotness! 

Id like to see that during the Biden debate before the first answer she gives, especially if it seems Biden is going to beat her senseless. That would make it THE. BEST. DEBATE. EVER !

[DixieBelle]

^LOL! I heard someone say that she looks like a Van Halen video girl. Any moment now, she'll take off the glasses and let her hair down and reveal some skimpy bikini.

[debk]

Since Obama and his group have asked Hillary to help dissway people against Sarah Palin....I would say we have not heard the last from Hillary.


I find it ironic that Obama did not want/need Hillary as his VP....but feels he needs her to help "fight" Sarah.

Would be sweet justice on Hillary's side if she denied her help. ....she won't though. She'll help him.

[anne995]

She denied him. :D

Barry's on his own on Palin, and he's going down in flames. :D.

serves him right. All he had to do in this election was not be an ahole and it would have probably been his, but he's such a freakin' jerk that clinton dems are not having it. And being one myself i can tell you how thouroughly many of us detest him. He's not getting our votes after the way he treated clinton and her supporters. And this is just one of the many reasons he will crash and burn in november. He's so dumb, he had everything in his favor and he blew it. : )))))).

Since Obama and his group have asked Hillary to help dissway people against Sarah Palin....I would say we have not heard the last from Hillary.


I find it ironic that Obama did not want/need Hillary as his VP....but feels he needs her to help "fight" Sarah.

Would be sweet justice on Hillary's side if she denied her help. ....she won't though. She'll help him.

[miskie]

She denied him. :D

Barry's on his own on Palin, and he's going down in flames. :D.

serves him right. All he had to do in this election was not be an ahole and it would have probably been his, but he's such a freakin' jerk that clinton dems are not having it. And being one myself i can tell you how thouroughly many of us detest him. He's not getting our votes after the way he treated clinton and her supporters. And this is just one of the many reasons he will crash and burn in november. He's so dumb, he had everything in his favor and he blew it. : )))))).

Ive heard that - that instead of burning Palin, she is going to campaign against McCain. I'm going to reserve my judgment though until I hear reports of what is actually said. If she goes after McCain instead of Palin its clear that she is following through as Obama wishes, but in such a way as to minimize her impact. Shrewd. Very shrewd. It also makes it harder for Obama to blame Hillary for the loss, although he will. Bet on it. 

[dandi]

I wouldn't say that Palin brings the Hillary era to an end. Hillary has a lot of fight left in her. If Obama loses, I think Clinton will for for it in 2012. If that's the case, I look forward to seeing Clinton and Palin go at it.

The Wicked Witch of the Midwest vs Caribou Barbie.