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LetMyPeopleVote (110,002 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216628608Mark Meadows is 'up to his neck' in two possible federal crimes: MSNBC legal analystMeadows originally cooperated with the Jan. 6 committee and then stopped. One reason may be that Meadows knows that he could be charged by DOJ. The Jan 6 committee and the House has sent a criminal referral to the DOJ which has not acted on such referral. One possible reason why DOJ has not charged Mark Meadows with contempt due to Jan. 6 investigation is that the DOJ may be looking at charging Meadows with other crimes. I prefer letting the DOJ pursue criminal charges against Meadows in lieu of pursuing contempt charges on Jan. 6 investigation.The DOJ has had the contempt motion from Congress on Mark Meadows for a very long time. I understand that there may be some OLC memos that the DOJ has to work through, but it appears that an addition reason may be that Mark Meadows may be a target or subject of an investigation by the DOJ with respect to the Jan. 6 insurrection. The DOJ probably has had the texts from Mark Meadows disclosed today for some time. The texts build a good case for charging Meadows with a couple of crimes,www.rawstory.com/mark-meadows-possible-federal-crimes/"It was the premeditation," began Wallace. "There isn't anyone more senior than the White House chief of staff. That's it. Especially in the Trump White House. The record is clear that that person was the only adult in the room when it was a White House chief of staff and a president. What does the premeditation and knowledge of violence ahead of time mean for everyone who had that knowledge? Was in possession of the knowledge and has testified to eyewitnesses now who have testified before congress?"Litman agreed, saying that it's clear Meadows had the knowledge."Meadows is in the middle of everything, however crazy, however completely half baked or quarter baked, but your point really is the right one because once we have knowledge of the violence, he is up to his neck in a potential conspiracy to obstruct the proceedings because what's the point of the violence?" asked Litman. "It's to delay or hinder and that's exactly what it did. So, for that, he's in serious hot water. And the [Justice] department, if it shows, can really put the screws to him."He went on to say that because Meadows was also involved in the fake electors' conspiracy it could even be worse. Litman explained that there is an Office of Legal Counsel opinion that makes it clear what they were trying to do was illegal.The DOJ could use charges against Meadows to get to TFG. I feel less concerned about the DOJ not charging Meadows with conempt.
PSPS (12,191 posts) 5. This "legal analyst" needs to find a more suitable job like in a dry cleanersJust more "may be subject to," "could be prosecuted," etc. They're all going to skate and anyone who thinks DOJ/Garland is going to do anything just hasn't been paying attention.
LetMyPeopleVote (110,002 posts) 9. Jan. 6 is looking 'more premeditated'Laypersons are cute and adorable when they attempt to understand legal concepts and fail. It has been clear for some time that the DOJ is investigating all levels of this attempt coup. The DOJ has had access to these texts and other information that they obtained from the carriers and other sources for a while. The DOJ has a request/referral from the House to hold Mark Meadows in criminal contempt that has been pending for over 100 days. There is agency called Office of Legal Counsel may have some memos as to why Mark Meadows cannot be compelled to testify.In addition, the prosecution of Meadows for contempt only carries a sentence of one year and a fine. If you read the texts released tonight, it is clear that Meadows is exposed and can be prosecuted.The DOJ's other option is to continue the investigation with Meadows being a target. In the real world, criminal investigtions like this one start from the bottom and work their way up. Here Meadows is a big fish who may be forced to cooperate or face trial for being part of a Conspiracy to Defraud the United States and Obstruction of an Official Proceeding. Barbara McQuade put together a model prosecution memo for charging TFG that is well doneQuoteAs described below, there is sufficient evidence to support a conspiracy to defraud the United States by interfering with the functioning of the United States Congress to certify the results of a presidential election and permit the transfer of presidential power, as set forth in the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution and the Electoral Count Act.[12] This legal process is described in the indictment filed against Stewart Rhodes and other members of the Oath Keepers organization who have been charged with seditious conspiracy for their conduct relating to Jan. 6.[13] As stated in that indictment, the U.S. Constitution and federal statutes codify the procedures and dates governing the transfer of presidential power in the United States. The Twelfth Amendment requires presidential electors to meet in their respective states and certify their state’s votes for president and vice president. It further requires that the vice president shall open the certificates in the presence of the Senate and the House of Representatives, “and the votes shall then be counted.” The Electoral Count Act specifies that the votes shall be counted in a joint session of Congress at 1 p.m. “on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors,” with the vice president presiding, to count the electoral votes, resolve any objections, certify their validity, and announce the result.[14] Here, the evidence described below supports a charge of conspiracy to defraud the United States by obstructing and interfering with this process.The texts released today plus the evidence described in Barbara McQuade's memorandum show that TFG can be prosecuted. The analysis described in the memorandum also show that Mark Meadows can be prosecuted.Ari Melber discussed this today and it is clear that such texts and other evidence gives the DOJ a great case against Meadows.www.rawstory.com/trump-premeditated-merrick-garland/If the DOJ has the choice of doing a weak criminal contempt motion against Meadows vs charging Meadows with the crimes listed above to leverage Meadows, I like the second option.Hopefully the above explanation is simple enough that even a layperson should be able to understand
As described below, there is sufficient evidence to support a conspiracy to defraud the United States by interfering with the functioning of the United States Congress to certify the results of a presidential election and permit the transfer of presidential power, as set forth in the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution and the Electoral Count Act.[12] This legal process is described in the indictment filed against Stewart Rhodes and other members of the Oath Keepers organization who have been charged with seditious conspiracy for their conduct relating to Jan. 6.[13] As stated in that indictment, the U.S. Constitution and federal statutes codify the procedures and dates governing the transfer of presidential power in the United States. The Twelfth Amendment requires presidential electors to meet in their respective states and certify their state’s votes for president and vice president. It further requires that the vice president shall open the certificates in the presence of the Senate and the House of Representatives, “and the votes shall then be counted.” The Electoral Count Act specifies that the votes shall be counted in a joint session of Congress at 1 p.m. “on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors,” with the vice president presiding, to count the electoral votes, resolve any objections, certify their validity, and announce the result.[14] Here, the evidence described below supports a charge of conspiracy to defraud the United States by obstructing and interfering with this process.
Star Member WarGamer (5,185 posts) 11. Here Charlie Brown, I'll hold the football!
LetMyPeopleVote (110,002 posts) .Laypersons are cute and adorable when they attempt to understand legal concepts and fail. It has been clear for some time that the DOJ is investigating all levels of this attempt coup.
