Defenders or con artists funded by big pharma?

[thundley4]

Among all the vaccines I have known in my life:
— diphtheria
— tetanus
— smallpox
— typhoid
— anthrax
— rota virus
— measles
— rubella
— chickenpox
— hepatitis
— meningitis
— tuberculosis
— flu
— pneumonia
— shingles etc….
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I have never seen a vaccine that forced me to wear a mask and maintain my social distance, even when you are fully vaccinated.
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I had never heard of a vaccine that still allows us to spread the virus even after we are vaccinated.
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I have never heard of a vaccine that doesn’t prevent us from getting what we are being vaccinated for.
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I have never heard of a vaccine where we are offered rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated.
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I have never seen discrimination for those who didn't choose to get vaccinated, like this one does.
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I have never seen a vaccine that was purposely promoted to make the unvaccinated look bad.
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I have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationships between family, colleagues and friends.
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I have never seen a vaccine used to threaten your employment, livelihoods, and even your education.
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I have never seen a vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old child to override their parents consent and protection.
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After all the vaccines I listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one, that discriminates, divides and judges us.
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This vaccine does all these things except IMMUNIZATION.
If we still need:
— 💉a booster dose after we are fully vaccinated,
—👃🏼 to get a negative test after we are fully vaccinated
— 😷to wear a mask after we are fully vaccinated, because the vaccine does not prevent us from getting Covid or spreading Covid, it only possibly reduces the symptoms if we get it.
— 🏨and we can still need to be hospitalized after we have been fully vaccinated, and can still die from Covid after we are vaccinated.
“It's time for Ya all to admit that you are being deceived."

[SVPete]

I had never heard of a vaccine that still allows us to spread the virus even after we are vaccinated.
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I have never heard of a vaccine that doesn’t prevent us from getting what we are being vaccinated for.

In real life, no vaccine is 100% effective. And vaccines do have breakthrough infections, a term that has been in use for over a decade.

After all the vaccines I listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one, that discriminates, divides and judges us.

  Vaccines are not responsible for "discriminating, dividing and judging", anymore than guns are responsible for murders. People "discriminate, divide and judge", just like people use guns to commit murder.

This vaccine does all these things except IMMUNIZATION.
If we still need:
— 💉a booster dose after we are fully vaccinated,
—👃🏼 to get a negative test after we are fully vaccinated
— 😷to wear a mask after we are fully vaccinated, because the vaccine does not prevent us from getting Covid or spreading Covid, it only possibly reduces the symptoms if we get it.
— 🏨and we can still need to be hospitalized after we have been fully vaccinated, and can still die from Covid after we are vaccinated.
“It's time for Ya all to admit that you are being deceived."

As I posted above, in real life, no vaccine is 100% effective. And vaccines do have breakthrough infections, a term that has been in use for over a decade. There are also vaccines that need to be boosted, at least one of which is in your list.

Re your thread title, "Defenders or con artists funded by big pharma?" Why are you unable to conceive of an honest, informed, intelligent person without a financial/employment interest in "big pharma" coming to conclusions that differ from yours?

And since I'm at least one target of that snarky title, one snark deserves another. Let's leave assuming people one disagrees with being stupid, dishonest, or a "shill" to DU-folk.

[SVPete]

th4 doesn't seem to have been "active" since posting this thread, but since he provided a vaccines list, I thought I'd DDG the phrase (Disease name) vaccine breakthrough infection for each, plus one more common vaccine:

Diphtheria vaccine breakthrough infection - This is a bacterial disease, and the vaccine targets the toxin, not the disease; "breakthrough infection" would be a misnomer; https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210308/Diphtheria-is-evolving-to-become-antibiotic-resistant-and-could-lead-to-vaccine-escape.aspx

Tetanus vaccine breakthrough infection - This is a bacterial disease, and the vaccine targets the toxin, not the disease; boostered every 10 years; https://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4220.pdf

Smallpox vaccine breakthrough infection - Considered to be eradicated, which means there are no exposures that could cause a breakthrough

Typhoid vaccine breakthrough infection - Boostered every 2 or 5 years, so please define "breakthrough"; https://www.cdc.gov/typhoid-fever/typhoid-vaccination.html

Anthrax vaccine breakthrough infection - Boostered every year, so please define "breakthrough; https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/anthrax/public/index.html

Rota virus vaccine breakthrough infection - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33539399/

Measles vaccine breakthrough infection - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34508861/ , https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8239452/ , https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31039835/

Rubella vaccine breakthrough infection - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12897314/

Chickenpox vaccine breakthrough infection - https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/downloads/Breakthrough-Varicella-fact-sheet-508.pdf

Hepatitis B vaccine breakthrough infection - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20516566/ , https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20516566/

Meningitis vaccine breakthrough infection - Didn't find much info about this vaccine

Tuberculosis vaccine breakthrough infection - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32305522/ , other vaccines are in development, but not authorized or approved for use

Flu vaccine breakthrough infection - Because there are multiple variants, it is extremely difficult to discern whether the annual flu shots have breakthrough infections or simply didn't include one of the variants circulating in a given year; or maybe flu vaccines are all failures. your choice

Pneumonia vaccine breakthrough infection - https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/145/3/e20190836/76969/Pneumococcal-Conjugate-Vaccine-Breakthrough

Shingles vaccine breakthrough infection - https://www.medicinenet.com/can_you_get_shingles_after_being_vaccinated/article.htm , https://www.physiciansweekly.com/shingrix-vaccine-makes-shingles/

Mumps vaccine breakthrough infection - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/majority-mumps-cases-are-vaccinated-cdc-finds-rcna6482

[Old n Grumpy]

It's actualy politicians payback for campaign donations. Just like  solyndra and other goobermint boondoggles.