« on: February 07, 2022, 09:30:36 AM »
kentuck (104,263 posts)
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How do we move on as a country if Trump is "pardoned" or "not pardoned"?
Former FBI Director James Comey has said it is something we might want to think about? But, even if a "pardon" was offered, how do we know it would be accepted? After all, how can you be pardoned for something you didn't do? That would be Trump's argument.
If he is not pardoned and is prosecuted at either the state or federal level, Republicans - especially the Trump base - would not accept such an offer or such a prosecution. At this time, it would create even more division and dissension.
That is where we find ourselves at this time in history.
Is this a time where "the wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine"?
Is this a conversation the nation should or should not have? Why?
As it is said in Ecclesiastes, "there is a time for everything..."
I would love to see this question in a poll.
In the final analysis, the nation should come to a conclusion that justice applies to everyone.
kentuck (104,263 posts)
8. I think that how this is handled will define the direction of our country.
We are at a crossroads.
If we take the wrong direction, the dystopian future may become a reality?
Is it a time for patience or a time for action? Although our hearts beg for action, our heads tell us to be just a little more patient? Which is right?
If we went to the doctor and he said we had a cancer, would we not want it removed as soon as possible?
That is a difficult argument to counter.
Star Member John Ludi (388 posts)
10. I think we had a chance
to nip this in the bud immediately post-election, but it would have probably been a situation where we bypassed normal procedure and that would have had various legal ramifications that would have been pretty sticky, going forward.
I think it would have been worth it though. Instead we have shown that increasing levels of bad behavior don't get much of a response beyond slaps on the wrist and public shaming of the shameless, who largely don't care.
Star Member LastDemocratInSC (2,460 posts)
5. The right wingers are behaving like John Gotti's supporters in Queens.
They loved Gotti in Queens. He threw big parties with fireworks on July 4th, he looked and sounded like his supporters, they saw themselves in him. They liked having a "strong man" who could solve problems by just talking to the people involved (threatening them in his own special way). They didn't believe all the bad stories about him and even if the stories were eventually found to be true they didn't care about what he had done in the past.
Today's right wingers have the same perspective of and feelings for TFG. even if other people might be punished for Trump-like crimes Trump himself should be spared because he's too special. Holding him accountable would upset the people who love him and they may react badly.
The right wing movement has morphed into a coast-to-coast version of Queens, NYC.
Star Member global1 (23,179 posts)
6. What Could Be Said About A Person That Would Pardon A Tr**p?.....
In my eyes that person is as treasonous as Tr**p.
Star Member TreasonousBastard (39,798 posts)
11. Who would pardon him? And even if we found an R president...
who would, that wouldn't get him off of state charges.
Wouldn't save him from a bankrptcy that sticks, either, like in Scotland.
His fun time being President should be an example of the Peter Principle gone amok
Star Member Mr. Ected (8,022 posts)
14. Joe Biden has a lot of friends on both sides of the aisle
Trump is an outsider who is universally detested (though he has a stranglehold on a distinct group of rabble rousers).
My guess is that no love would be lost if he was found guilty and sent to prison.
The truth is, we're not the ones who need to heal. The cretins who call themselves MAGA need to see with their own eyes that crime doesn't pay. They need a healthy dose of reality in their life to counter the fake and destructive bullshit they've been inundated with over the years.
Star Member Chainfire (7,202 posts)
17. If Trump escapes justice, based on him being a former President
What does that mean for future presidents who may have criminal intent? If a President is above justice, he is, for all practical purposes, a King. Keep in mind, that Trump wanted to remain in office bad enough to attempt a revolution. If he is allowed to walk away from that kind of seditionist behavior then our Democracy is done. If Trump can not be tried for attempting to destroy Democracy, then what are the actual limits of the power of the President?
If we can not prosecute, and if necessary punish, a President then we have no moral authority to prosecute and punish a pauper.
"With liberty and Justice for all..."
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