DU Discusses Chicago Gun Violence

[BamaMoose]

OP is nothing special.  Just another typical weekend in South Chicago.

former9thward (23,947 posts)

At least 77 people shot in weekend violence in Chicago, including 17 in two mass shootings
 
When a barrage of gunshots rang out Sunday night along a busy commercial strip of the South Shore community, a 15-year-old ran for his life.

Even when he was shot in the leg, he was so determined to get away from the gunfire that he kept running for at least a block, according to his mother.

“Whoever is outside when the (expletive) is going down is going to get shot down. Dad, mama, grandmama, kids, it don’t matter,” the woman told the Tribune in a telephone interview Monday. “These people trigger-happy. They shoot everyone they see, innocent bystander or not.”

The teen was among six people shot — including a woman who died — near East 71st Street and South Chappel Avenue shortly before 9 p.m. Sunday. Then about two hours later, and roughly 5 miles west, 11 more people were struck by gunfire in the Marquette Park neighborhood, a shooting that claimed the life of another woman. 

But the responses get interesting and provide a tutorial on moling:

WarGamer (1,896 posts)

1. Oddly enough, this OP is sinking with barely any views.

If the OP said "77 shot at a NASCAR race in Talladega" there's be 400 replies, 200 rec's and on the Greatest Thread page.

Nice soft shot at the hypocrisy of the DUmp.

House of Roberts (3,550 posts)

5. This thought came to me the other day.
 
Chicago has approximately 2.71 million people.

If you take 2.71 million rural rednecks, at random, I bet you get at least as many shootings and killings in any given weekend. They're just spread out more, so they don't total up together.

Quit trying to think DUmmie, it just lets everyone else know you're an idiot.  Try looking at statistics to find out where the violent crime issue resides.

WarGamer (1,896 posts)

8. You're probably right.

WarGamer agrees with something really stupid to distract from his initial comment.

SMC22307 (7,551 posts)

6. So what's the solution?

The loss of life saddens me. The stress on families and friends, first responders, hospital workers, etc. takes a huge toll. And I'm sick of Madison Cawthorn (R-NC) yapping about violence in "Democrat" cities.

Umm, doing something about the crime in "Democrat" cities might be a start.  Or, you could just Defund the Police and prevent them from doing their jobs.

WarGamer (1,896 posts)

7. All the solutions SUCK and most might be illegal/unconstitutional.

1) Enforce Firearm Laws including felon in possession, unregistered weapons and carry crimes.

2) Sentencing enhancements for Firearm violations

3) Door to door searches

Like I said... shitty options. I don't have the answers, no one does. 

This is top-notch moling.  Compare enforcing the law and locking gun criminals up with unconstitutional search and seize.  That is a great way to confuse the DUmmies who actually have half a brain.  He's probably got at least a few DUmmies scratching their heads and saying "Wait, getting criminals off the streets may not be a bad idea".

Hoyt (49,131 posts)

9. Something needs to be done about gunz AND the crimes committed with them.

Finding a politically acceptable way to accomplish that "something" is a real challenge.

Unfortunately, it's likely Democrats will get hit with being "soft on crime." That has worked well for GOPers too many times. GOPers have the easy part-- griping and criticizing Democrats, without offering any real solution other than toughness on criminals.

Hope we come up with some real solutions.

Hoyt cant help but show up on every gun control thread to show off just how stupid he is on the issue, but this time he outdoes himself.  Acknowledge crime is a problem, but reject actually holding criminals responsible for their actions, while waiting for a unicorn to show up with a "real solution".

This DU thread won't get much more attention because it's about the "wrong" demographic, but I just wanted to Hi-5 whoever WarGamer is for subtly injecting some reality into the DUmp while keeping below the MIRT and alerter radars.   

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215572259

[SVPete]

WarGamer (1,896 posts)

7. All the solutions SUCK and most might be illegal/unconstitutional.

1) Enforce Firearm Laws including felon in possession, unregistered weapons and carry crimes.

2) Sentencing enhancements for Firearm violations

3) Door to door searches

Like I said... shitty options. I don't have the answers, no one does.

1) Few murderers-shooters possess their guns legally, and too many pols, prosecutors, and police chiefs won't enforce "lesser" crimes when the perps are of a protected skin color. So this "solution" fails because criminals ignore gun laws, and strict enforcement against criminals who are caught is politically unsafe.

2) Gun law violations already have sentences, and violent crimes already have "enhancements" for using firearms. The only potential improvements is these respects would be to stop letting violent criminal plea-bargain their way into lighter sentences and enforcement, from the streets through sentencing, that is color-blind. IOW, the real solutions in this area are not what this DU-member has in mind, and would set most DUmmies to howling.

3) That would be unconstitutional. That also would be a huge wasteful deployment of manpower for very little results. Actual criminals would know such searches are happening and would flee, hide their weapons effectively, or prepare an ambush. Meanwhile, the streets that had been emptied of police patrols would be overridden with crime. So, not only is this "solution" unconstitutional, it would make cities much less unsafe.

[Old n Grumpy]

I think I will start a thread with a guessing game as to how many will get shot this holiday weekend. Starting at 77 for the last one

[BannedFromDU]

I think I will start a thread with a guessing game as to how many will get shot this holiday weekend. Starting at 77 for the last one

    Assuming those who get shot are the ones who did the shooting last weekend, not enough will get shot. At some point, Chicago will police itself, but it's going to take a lot more dead children for that to happen.

   

[Old n Grumpy]

    Assuming those who get shot are the ones who did the shooting last weekend, not enough will get shot. At some point, Chicago will police itself, but it's going to take a lot more dead children for that to happen.

   

Unfortunately the dead children are only collateral damage and don't have value to those in charge. The only real solution is for the shooters to up the kill ratio to shots fired.

[old dog 2]

Meanwhile, law abiding Chicagoan's of all races must jump through hoops to legally obtain a self defense weapon.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Meanwhile, law abiding Chicagoan's of all races must jump through hoops to legally obtain a self defense weapon.

Clearly an anecdotal story, but it applies to my experience in the decade or so where I resided in Chicago proper and Cook County.

My college fraternity "little brother" moved to the Windy City as a lifelong Texan to join his future bride.  He asked her what did he have to do in order to properly register his firearms upon moving.  She basically laughed and said good luck because it is a pain in the arse, if even possible.  Cannot even recall whether he brought all of his rifles and handguns with him or just left them with the family in Texas, as they did eventually move there.