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Star Member AndyS (10,633 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215442519Can somebody please explain this to me? Anybody?The Israeli Palestinian conflict has raged for 9 days.They are at war with each other using rockets, missiles and other weapons of mass destruction. Deaths have reached more than 200.Meanwhile in America about 750 people have been killed with guns.President Biden is calling for a cease fire in the Middle east region. Can we have a cease fire here in America?I just don't understand how two Peoples at open war with each other using weapons of mass destruction can only manage to kill 200 while we here in America can kill three times that with easily available civilian guns while we are at peace.Can somebody please explain this to me? ANYBODY??(because somebody will ask for a link to support my numbers, JUST GOOGLE IT FOR GOD'S SAKE)
Star Member StarfishSaver (15,370 posts) 2. I share your frustration but Biden and others have been calling for an end to gun violence in America for years. But it's not the same or as simple as calling for a ceasefire in an escalating conflict in another country.Among other things, gun violence is random, committed by various people across the country for various reasons. Thousands of people aren't going to stop engaging in it because the president of the United States tells them to cut it out. And he has no leverage or bargaining power with them. The most he can do is work for policies that help to reduce the violence, but as we know, that's very difficult to do given the current political environment and players.On the other hand, the situation in Gaza is an armed conflict between identifiable warring governmental or representative entities engaged in for very clear, limited, and specific purposes. The United States does have some leverage over them so the president calling for a cease-fire has some weight to it.I definitely hear you, though. It has to end.
Star Member uponit7771 (77,049 posts) 4. Our population is the 3rd largest on Earf, 33 times Israels but I get the idea
Star Member ShazzieB (1,511 posts) 8. Right!All the gun killings in the U.S. are perpetrated by a small percentage of our population, but a small percentage of over 330,000,000 people is still a lot of people.
ffr (20,099 posts) 9. If you dig into the annual death toll due to gun violenceyou'll find that ~64% of those using guns to kill are using the weapon on themselves. I didn't know that until now.According to Wiki, 2018 showed 38,390 deaths by firearms in the U.S., of which, 24,432 (64%) were by suicide and 13,958 (36%) were homicides.But to follow your point, even at 13,958/yr for a 9 day period, that equates to 344 people who are killing others, which is still beyond the 200 used in your example and thus your point still holds water.
Star Member AndyS (10,633 posts) 13. Yeah, gunners point that out all the time as if those deaths don't count.A few facts about suicide.Attempted suicide by gun is 80% successful.Attempts by other methods are only about 25% (by method varies)Failed attempts are subsequently attempted and completed only 10% of the time.Removing guns from the suicide equation would reduce deaths by 50%.Finally, if 20% of attempts by gun are unsuccessful, what does survival look like? Care to do a google image search on that topic? I don't think you'll enjoy the results. On the positive side it has improved the medical procedure of full face transplant.
Star Member AZ8theist (3,797 posts) 12. I know this is not the explanation you want, but here goes:The current conflict in Israel is one-sided, as usual.The rockets Hamas are firing at Israel are low tech, and not very effective. Israel's "Iron Dome" defensive system, shoots down as much as 90% of incoming missiles:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Domehttps://www.vox.com/22435973/israel-iron-dome-explainedThe vast majority of those killed are Palestinians: (213 vs 12)https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/554031-palestinians-go-on-strike-amid-airstrikeshttps://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-18-2021/#liveblog-entry-2547259As far as the gun violence problem here in the United States, the answer is quite plain: Stop electing Republicans.
Towlie (4,697 posts) 17. As a Democrat, maybe you should reconsider taking offense at people who expect evidence for claims. ←Why don't you google "Trump" along with "without evidence" and remind yourself of how he abused, and continues to abuse, his ability to spout claims without evidence. We can't criticize him if we do the same thing ourselves.Don't be lazy, take some pride in what you post. Links aren't hard to add. There's even a "link" button that inserts the code for you. If you want people to "google it for God's sake" then provide a link to the specific google search, like the one I provided above.
Star Member world wide wally (20,026 posts) 19. The short answer?Republicans in Congress
Can somebody please explain this to me? ANYBODY??
Star Member AndyS (10,633 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215442519Can somebody please explain this to me? Anybody?The Israeli Palestinian conflict has raged for 9 days.They are at war with each other using rockets, missiles and other weapons of mass destruction. Deaths have reached more than 200.
weap·on of mass de·struc·tionnoun: weapon of mass destruction; plural noun: weapons of mass destructiona chemical, biological or radioactive weapon capable of causing widespread death and destruction.Definitions from Oxford Languages
The primitives need to talk face-to-face with inner-city gang members and drug cartels and ask to to stop using guns to resolve their problems. When they at least make the effort to do something as simple as that, perhaps I’ll listen to them..
